Re: Fwd: ITA testing would detect Hursti attack, ballot programming errors, etc.

From: laird popkin <lairdp_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Sat Sep 02 2006 - 06:34:43 CDT

Two things come to mind:
- "Federal testing if conducted decently" would go well beyond ITA
testing, to include auditing ballots, running parallel tests during
elections, etc. So Joan's email might be read to mean that the's
proposing a more thorough testing model than one-time ITA testing.
- It's true that ITA 'black box' testing, if driven by meaningful
acceptance standards, can discover some "system design defects". But
they can only uncover specific defects that the testers can think of
to test for, and they can't uncover intentional 'defects' since they
can be easily designed to be undetectable by ITA testing.

On 9/1/06, Kathy Dopp <> wrote:
> Can anyone please help me to verify or refute these claims by Joan
> Krawitz (below) of VoteTrustUSA who has been recently telling press
> how much she commends the new testing policies of the US EAC, and who
> is making claims for the ability of testing to detect things that I
> didn't know that it was possible for ITA testing to detect?
> Thank you. You might want to cc Joan on your answers, and Warren too.
> Warren is the great writer for VoteTrustUSA who also helped compile
> the detailed vote count data from NM.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Joan Krawitz VTUSA <>
> Date: Sep 1, 2006 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re:
> To:
> Cc: Warren Stewart <>
> Kathy,
> Federal testing if conducted decently can and should find
> the kind of problems that have been reported with the Hursti hack, the ES&S
> ballot programming and similar system design defects.
> Joan
> Joan Krawitz
> Executive Director
> VoteTrustUSA
> Phone: 630-428-1488
> _______________________________________________
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