Re: [OVC-discuss] Wired: Kim Zetter: In Industry First, Voting Machine Company to Publish Source Code

From: David Jefferson <d_jefferson_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Date: Tue Oct 27 2009 - 23:05:50 CDT

Bev,

If I understand you correctly, you may be conflating two related
issues. Zetter's article was about OSDV's as-yet incomplete open
source software. As I understand it, it is a real open source
development process, and will have an open source license (although I
don't know the details of the license, and I doubt they have all been
worked out).

The Sequoia announcement is very clearly only a disclosed source
commitment, not a commitment to an open source license that would
allow other to build on their code. On the other hand, they have
stated that their data formats will be open, and that apparently
*would* allow people at least to build software that interoperates
with Sequoia's. Not all of the details have been released, and again
I doubt that they have even been decided. But I personally think this
is a big step forward. Sequoia has explicitly renounced security by
obscurity. We shall see if they really mean it, but I think this
marks a big change in vendor attitude. I think Sequoia now recognizes
it cannot win, and may lose big, by sticking with their former
secretiveness regarding the code. It is not everything, but it is
something.

David

On Oct 27, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Bev Harris wrote:

> Zetter certainly has access to enough technical expertise that she
> can ask the
> right questions, though many of us have noticed that she did not do
> that. So
> why are we jumping on the bandwagon?
>
> 1. Sequoia systems hardware uses some non-open source stuff
>
> 2. This sounds more like DISCLOSED SOURCE, a horse of a different
> color) is not
> contained in the announcement.
>
> 3. Are we sure that the combination of this and the new OSDVF stuff
> is not just
> a way to slide in a "solution" to keep current vendors solvent?
>
> 4. What kind of license is this "open source"? It's all about the
> license. If
> you don't know what form of open source license is going to be used,
> you've got
> bupkus.
>
> 5. If I own the hardware, I own the true functionality of the open
> source
> software. Sequoia owns the hardware.
>
> Again, why are people getting excited about this? Those of us who
> have been
> doing this work for awhile should step up to the plate on public
> education
> about the devil in the details, instead of just parroting the
> company line.
>
> Bev Harris
> Founder - Black Box Voting
> http://www.blackboxvoting.org
>
> * * * * *
>
> Government is the servant of the people, and not the master of them.
> The
> people, in delegating authority, do not give their public servants
> the right
> to decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good
> for them to
> know. We insist on remaining informed so that we may retain control
> over the
> instruments of government we have created.
>
>
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