Re: Daily Kos vote

From: Jim Tobias <tobias_at_inclusive_dot_com>
Date: Wed Oct 21 2009 - 19:05:07 CDT

I think David has this exactly right: the principal driver for voting
technologies beyond all-paper hand-marked ballots will be accessibility.
Voting officials and the general public will continue to oscillate about
paper vs. non-paper, etc. But all-paper hand-marked will just not be an
option for the foreseeable future.

That being said, the right (if self-serving) strategy for OVC seems to be:

1. Get accessibility done better on the OVC system than any other system,
thus securing the support of this key stakeholder group. This means ballot
design and poll worker interfaces as well as the voter interfaces, plus
documentation and training materials.
2. Plan on many voters and officials not accepting an OVC system except as a
mandated accessible alternative to hand-marked paper ballots; some
non-disabled voters will also prefer a machine. Design the system to fit
into that ecosystem.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Mertz [mailto:mertz@gnosis.cx]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list
> Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Daily Kos vote
>
> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 09:50, Ronald Crane
> <voting@lastland.net> wrote:
> >> And once again, the ballot-printer design is still vulnerable to
> >> delay- and denial-of-service attacks, presentation attacks, and
> >> selection attacks, all of which are far more difficult to wage
> >> against hand-filled paper. Ballot printers are also vulnerable to
> >> out-and-out misrecording attacks, since, as Selker has
> shown, "voter verification" is quite poor at detecting errors.
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Edward Cherlin
> <echerlin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi, Ron. How do you deal with ballot-box stuffing and other known
> > hazards of paper-only?
>
> We have been through this discussion so many times that it
> seems needless to do it again.
>
> The plain fact is that all-paper hand marked ballots are a
> non-starter idea for any newly implemented voting systems in
> most jurisdictions.
> Per Selker and all, "verification" is no better--and
> generally far worse--with hand marked ballots than with and
> OVC-style Ballot Printer Architecture (BPA). And moreover,
> cost advantages of the BPA in the actual conduct of elections
> pushes in their direction.
>
> However, the real underlying reason hand marked is a
> non-starter is that it simply ignores the requirements--both
> reasonable and politically important--of disabled voters. To
> a lesser extent, it also ignores the needs of
> non-English-language voters, or at least provides less
> flexible multilingual capabilities. Disabled rights groups
> are simply not willing to accept *separate and UNequal*
> voting systems for their ghettoized use; and they are also
> not willing to accept a loss of their right to vote
> independently and anonymously (nor should they be so willing).
>
> Hand marked ballot advocates really just show disrespect for
> disabled voters. That's no good.
>
> Yours, David...
>
>
>
>
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