Re: [FWD: RE: [vote-technology] Booted out of the Hotel at the 2007 Post-Election Auditing Summit]

From: <dr-jekyll_at_att_dot_net>
Date: Tue Oct 30 2007 - 06:58:15 CDT

One minor correction. It refers to HR 550. That was the number in the 109th Congress. In the 110th Congress (the current Congress), it's HR 811.

Aside from from that technical edit, I find no disagreement of consequence with Nancy Tobi.

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-------------- Original message from "Edward Cherlin" <echerlin@gmail.com>: -------------- 
> Does anybody else think that Nancy Tobi is a crock? 
> 
> http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_friendly.php?p=opedne_nancy_to_070207_new 
> _version_of_holt_.htm 
> Tobi's analysis of the new version of Holt's bill follows: 
> 
> You can keep arguing the merits of this audit method or that, this 
> paper trail or that, but the Holt Bill has two poison pills in it that 
> can not be argued away: 
> 
> 1) huge unfunded mandate for text-to-audio conversion technology 
> 
> 2) consolidation of Executive power and control over Federal elections. 
> 
> We must fight this treasonous bill--and if giving the President 
> control over elections that elect the President is not treasonous to 
> American representational democracy, what is?-- and call it for what 
> it is: ANTI-DEMOCRATIC. 
> 
> 
> * Open Source software source code and binaries for text-to-audio 
> (actually called text-to-speech or TTS) in any language are available 
> at no cost. TTS software binaries are included with Microsoft and 
> Apple operating systems at no extra charge. 
> 
> * The Holt bill provides for Federal control of some aspects of 
> elections, but I would like Nanci to point out the exact spot in the 
> Bill where it says that the President would have this overweening 
> power. The President, in carrying out his duty of executing the laws, 
> already has the power to enforce every Federal election law, or (to 
> some extent) to neglect enforcement (as Jefferson did with the Alien & 
> Sedition Act) or re-interpret the meaning of the law. But no law can 
> give the President power to violate the Constitution. For example, 
> "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a 
> republican form of government."--Constitution, Article IV, Section 4. 
> That means each and every state, and the Federal government, including 
> Congress, and the Administration, and the courts. Trampling on free 
> and fair elections does not create or sustain a republican form of 
> government, although such means have been used from time to time to 
> ensure the election of a Republican, or in other cases, a Democratic 
> legislature and executive. 
> 
> Unlike countries where the central government is in charge of national 
> elections, the US does not meet the Carter Center's standards for 
> elections, and it refuses to provide observers for them. 
> 
> * "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying 
> war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and 
> comfort."--Constitution, Article III, Section 3. 
> 
> On 10/27/07, Nancy Tobi wrote: 
> > Does anyone else think this whole episode sounds like a crock? 
> > 
> > A total waste of anyone's time to engage, IMHO. 
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/27/07, David RR Webber (XML) wrote: 
> > > FYI, 
> > > 
> > > DW 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -------- Original Message -------- 
> > > > Subject: RE: [vote-technology] Booted out of the Hotel at the 2007 
> > > > Post-Election Auditing Summit 
> > > > 
> > > > Kathy, 
> > > > 
> > > > Firstly if I was at that event and in the lobby and saw the schrade 
> > unfolding I would have personally marched you into where those organizers 
> > were hiding and demanded to know what the dickens was going on. 
> > > > 
> > > > How can the Brennan Center be associated with this? 
> > > > 
> > > > There are several reprecussions from the actions of the organizers. 
> > > > 
> > > > US government employees are barred from attending events where people 
> > are excluded or discriminated against, or are run by organizations that have 
> > barred people who wished to attend from their events previously. 
> > > > 
> > > > Therefore - the Brennan Center and the Verified Voting Foundation are 
> > now off-limits. I notice that many State officials attended the event - 
> > including Debra Bowen (California Secretary of State)- whom I'm sure would 
> > be appalled to know that people were excluded from the event she keynoted. 
> > > > 
> > > > Also people how are receiving funding to attend - again could find their 
> > funds in jeopardy: 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > http://www.josephhall.org/nqb2/index.php/2007/10/27/mnpeas2 
> > > > 
> > > > This link too is of interest: 
> > > > 
> > 
> http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2365&Itemi 
> d=113 
> > > > 
> > > > One wonders if the organizers specifically excluded you because of your 
> > support for HR-811? 
> > > > 
> > > > This whole episode needs to be throughly investigated - and the 
> > organizers need to provide specific reasons and details - who decided to 
> > exclude you and why - who ordered the hotel manager to act - and on what 
> > authority and basis. 
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not sure who you notify in government - but I suspect the OMB is the 
> > first place to look - so that the whole of government can be notified that 
> > attendence of Brennan Center and VVF events is now excluded. 
> > > > 
> > > > I would also expect Senator Holt to demand an enquiry and answers. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks, DW 
> > > > 
> > > > "The way to be is to do" - Confucius (551-472 B.C.) 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > -------- Original Message -------- 
> > > > > Subject: [vote-technology] Booted out of the Hotel at the 2007 
> > > > > Post-Election Auditing Summit 
> > > > > From: "Kathy Dopp" 
> > > > > Date: Sat, October 27, 2007 10:10 am 
> > > > > To: vote-technology@uscountvotes.org 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > Friends, 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Unfortunately, as some of you may be aware, I was booted out of hotel 
> > > > > where the 2007 Post-Election Auditing Summit - although I had not 
> > > > > violated any ordinance, had not even tried to walk into the conference 
> > > > > area, and had been flawlessly polite and friendly; and hotel 
> > > > > management had not received the tiniest complaint about me. I was 
> > > > > literally hounded and harassed from almost the moment I entered the 
> > > > > hotel. Obviously the conference organizers had arranged this reception 
> > > > > prior to my arrival. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Here is my report of events that I filed with the Bloomington, MN 
> > police: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > http://electionarchive.net/docs_pdf/info/US/AuditingSummitPoliceComplaint.pdf 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This treatment reflects the lack of civil rights and intolerance of 
> > > > > dissent that has characterized this country since 911. I have to say 
> > > > > that dealing with former National Association of State Election 
> > > > > Directors, President Linda Lamone's desire to suppress dissent when I 
> > > > > pushed for election audits at conferences of election directors in 
> > > > > 2005 and 2006 was a walk in the park on a sunny day in comparison with 
> > > > > the behavior of the organizers of the 2007 Post-Election Auditing 
> > > > > Summit. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > No one can say that I did not give it the old college try to work WITH 
> > > > > the organizers of the conference. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > If anyone wants to donate $10,000 for a civil legal action, we would 
> > > > > be able to uncover which conference organizers arranged for my 
> > > > > mistreatment at the election auditing conference and what fabrications 
> > > > > they told the hotel management in order to convince them to harass me 
> > > > > from the minute I walked in the door of the hotel. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On the plane on the way to the Summit, I had time to finish reading 
> > > > > one of the election auditing papers of one of the presenters at the 
> > > > > Post-Election Auditing Summit, and have just finished writing up 
> > > > > mathematical corrections that need to be made to his paper. Here is a 
> > > > > concise 3-page paper correcting some errors in Berkeley's Philip 
> > > > > Stark's election auditing paper which I had hoped instead to discuss 
> > > > > with him personally at the conference. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > 
> http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/paper-audits/Corrections2PhillipStark. 
> pdf 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Stark made an algebraic error in trying to re-derive the formula that 
> > > > > I had previously derived in July 2006, and used a bound which was too 
> > > > > high for the purpose of ensuring correct election outcomes, and that 
> > > > > I had previously more correctly derived and shown in my chronology of 
> > > > > the history of election auditing. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > There will be a follow-up paper coming soon to briefly describe some 
> > > > > prior election work by some of the conference organizers and their 
> > > > > speakers which might explain some of the reasons why some conference 
> > > > > organizers planned measures to prevent me from speaking with any 
> > > > > conference attendees, including state and county election officials 
> > > > > and legislators. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > As most of you are aware, I am an accomplished expert on election 
> > > > > auditing methods and should rightly have been a speaker at any 
> > > > > conference on the topic and certainly permitted to attend. As a human 
> > > > > being, even without my expertise, I should have been permitted to 
> > > > > express my opinions and to freely speak with conference attendees in 
> > > > > the public areas of the conference hotel. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Here is a chronology of virtually all election auditing work that has 
> > > > > been done since 1975: 
> > > > > 
> > 
> http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/paper-audits/History-of-Election-Audit 
> ing-Development.pdf 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cheers, 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kathy 
> 
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