Re: Question re. Ballot Definition Files

From: Kathy Dopp <kathy_dot_dopp_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Sun Oct 22 2006 - 14:15:39 CDT

On 10/22/06, Richard C. Johnson <> wrote:
> For any election using this method, a request for electronic copies of all
> ballot types generated, the list of printed ballots by ID number by ballot
> type, and the evidence of matching cast ballots, invalidated ballots and
> blank ballots should help to solve this problem short of getting copies of
> the ballots themselves.

Hi Richard,

You may've answered part of my question. I think you may have misunderstood
my question, due to a different definitions for "ballot definition", by
which I meant the way that the programs that COUNT the ballots are
interpreting the various ballot types.

I need to know how to obtain verifiable copies of the electronic ballot
definition files for counting both electronic and paper ballots of all types
within a jurisdiction (county) - and not, unfortunately, for your decent
voting system, but for the shoddy ones we're dealing with in this upcoming

Open Voting Solutions, one of six companies bidding in New York, is about to
> withdraw due to disagreements with the state over the conduct of the bidding
> process. The expectation is that other states may erect fewer barriers or
> different barriers to smaller, newer companies.
> provides more information about the 100% open
> source OpenScan precinct scan system.

I'm sorry about your problems with New York. Please hang in there for the
sake of American democracy and the future of our civilization.



-- Dick
> *Kathy Dopp <>* wrote:
> Is there any way, given our current shoddy voting equipment, to know a way
> to request ballot definition files after an election in a way that is
> verifiably the ballot definitions that were actually used?
> Just wondering if there might be a way to do open records requests for
> ballot definitions after an election and have some sense of receiving the
> same ballot definitions used during the election. Since these are not
> proprietary programs and are not election returns, most state laws should
> theoretically make them publicly available.
> Thanks.

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