Re: [OVC-demo-team] New tester

From: Eron Lloyd <elloyd_at_lancaster_dot_lib_dot_pa_dot_us>
Date: Thu Jan 29 2004 - 18:28:25 CST

Then I apologize. I have to admit I'm used to getting list rules upon
subscription, so I didn't realize there were such topic (and size)
restrictions in place. The instructions are clear; I only request that others
recieve this policy upon subscription to aid in clear communication.

Sorry,

Eron

On Thursday 29 January 2004 7:03 pm, you wrote:
> Eron,
>
> We know this. We also know we can spend six months discussing this, since
> we spent months discussing a lot of this already. Our voting project email
> list archives has over 1,000 messages -- 356 from December alone.
>
> We have some of the top experts in the voting technology field on the
> voting-project list. I have no problem getting back to these discussions
> -- but you are doing it on the wrong list. This list is for people working
> to complete the demo.
>
> I just checked and made sure that you are also on the voting-project list.
> Please post such things on the voting-project list, NOT the demo-team list.
> The demo team list was created because some people working on the demo
> stopped reading the list because they were deluged with messages on other
> issues. Some people are the demo list and NOT the voting-project list
> specifically because they don't want to wade through messages like what you
> just sent.
>
> Please let me know if there is something in this message that is not clear
> to you.
>
> Alan D.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eron Lloyd" <elloyd@lancaster.lib.pa.us>
> To: <OVC-demo-team@lists.sonic.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [OVC-demo-team] New tester
>
> > Well, you don't expect the election bureau to hand-code XML or run raw
> > SQL queries, do you? There are many management applications necessary for
> > the day-to-day operations of a voter registration office. I visit one
> > very regularly and have intimate knowledge of the applications and
> > services
>
> they
>
> > use. There are many database-centric clients, for instance:
> >
> > - voter registration rolls management
> > - election equipment inventory
> > - ballot layout and design
> > - absentee/early voting management
> > - voting history tracking
> > - campaign finance/candidate qualification and filing tracking
> > - project management and workflow
> > - street list/ward/precinct/district maintenance
> > - GIS integration
> > - CASS address verification
> > - report generators
> > - petition validation
> > - security configuration
> > - poll worker and polling place management
> >
> > And this is a *very* incomplete list. While much of this could be moved
> > to
>
> the
>
> > Web, desktop applications for these areas still reign supreme. I don't
>
> want
>
> > to go off-topic too much, but no county government will buy into simple
> > voting machines; they want the whole shebang (trust me, I work in county
> > government procurement roles). Many of the commercial vendors offer an
> > impressive array of components; check them out to get an idea of what
>
> you'll
>
> > be up against. Most government procurement processes for such a major
> > purchase use RFPs and *very* detailed feature/support requirements.
>
> Without
>
> > being able to return an RFP with "Yes" checked off on at least a majority
>
> of
>
> > those features you won't even get consideration. With the appropriations
> > already allocated through HAVA and state government financing, they won't
> > care if the OVC system is cheaper or better in the long run. You won't
> > win contracts with promises and possibilities.
> >
> > I don't want to sound pessimistic at all; I think this is possible. I do
>
> think
>
> > it is detrimental not to start thinking about these things, however, as
>
> they
>
> > will greatly affect the overall architecture and development of the
>
> system.
>
> > So in closing, yes, you'll need a desktop. While I hope it could be a
>
> Linux
>
> > one, there will be many obstacles to promoting that, thus a need to
>
> consider
>
> > a cross-platform architecture (for now).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Eron
> >
> > On Thursday 29 January 2004 5:49 pm, Fred McLain wrote:
> > > Why would a Linux voting machine require a Linux desktop? I think a
> > > bigger concern would be using a virus plagued environment for voting
> > > on. There are also cost issues, we are targeting inexpensive hardware
> > > for this project and a Windows license could end up costing as much or
> > > more then the CPU.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 14:19, Eron Lloyd wrote:
> > > > Speaking of OS platforms, are you targeting a final product able to
>
> run
>
> > > > fully on Win32? I'm thinking of how unsuccessfull it would be trying
>
> to
>
> > > > promote this system to county governments and explain that they'll
>
> need
>
> > > > to migrate their voter registration office desktops to Linux.
> > > >
> > > > Eron
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday 29 January 2004 5:00 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > I switched my home development environment from Win2k to Redhat 9
>
> some
>
> > > > > time ago and am very, very happy with it. Windoz isn't for
>
> breakfast
>
> > > > > any more :)
> > > > >
> > > > > -Fred-
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 13:54, Alan Dechert wrote:
> > > > > > Jan,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ....... made me suspect that many of you are trapped
> > > > > > > in Bill Gates world, .........
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know how many here are trapped. I think most here are
> > > > > > not trapped by the MSFT juggernaut. I am, for sure, but I have
>
> entered a
>
> > > > > > 12 step program to get over it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...... and do not have access to a Python installation
> > > > > > > with the necessary 'curses' module. So to make it possible for
>
> as
>
> > > > > > > many as possible to test the program, I have modified the code
>
> so
>
> > > > > > > that it can be run under Windows as well. It seems to work now,
>
> but
>
> > > > > > > I need to iron out some bugs first before uploading it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To run the program, you will need to install the Python Win32
> > > > > > > Extensions:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You may prepare by installing this right now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks again for your great work, Jan. I hope we can do justice
>
> to
>
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alan D.
> > > > >
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