Re: [OVC-demo-team] New tester

From: Alan Dechert <alan_at_openvotingconsortium_dot_org>
Date: Thu Jan 29 2004 - 18:03:20 CST

Eron,

We know this. We also know we can spend six months discussing this, since
we spent months discussing a lot of this already. Our voting project email
list archives has over 1,000 messages -- 356 from December alone.

We have some of the top experts in the voting technology field on the
voting-project list. I have no problem getting back to these discussions --
but you are doing it on the wrong list. This list is for people working to
complete the demo.

I just checked and made sure that you are also on the voting-project list.
Please post such things on the voting-project list, NOT the demo-team list.
The demo team list was created because some people working on the demo
stopped reading the list because they were deluged with messages on other
issues. Some people are the demo list and NOT the voting-project list
specifically because they don't want to wade through messages like what you
just sent.

Please let me know if there is something in this message that is not clear
to you.

Alan D.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eron Lloyd" <elloyd@lancaster.lib.pa.us>
To: <OVC-demo-team@lists.sonic.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [OVC-demo-team] New tester

> Well, you don't expect the election bureau to hand-code XML or run raw SQL
> queries, do you? There are many management applications necessary for the
> day-to-day operations of a voter registration office. I visit one very
> regularly and have intimate knowledge of the applications and services
they
> use. There are many database-centric clients, for instance:
>
> - voter registration rolls management
> - election equipment inventory
> - ballot layout and design
> - absentee/early voting management
> - voting history tracking
> - campaign finance/candidate qualification and filing tracking
> - project management and workflow
> - street list/ward/precinct/district maintenance
> - GIS integration
> - CASS address verification
> - report generators
> - petition validation
> - security configuration
> - poll worker and polling place management
>
> And this is a *very* incomplete list. While much of this could be moved to
the
> Web, desktop applications for these areas still reign supreme. I don't
want
> to go off-topic too much, but no county government will buy into simple
> voting machines; they want the whole shebang (trust me, I work in county
> government procurement roles). Many of the commercial vendors offer an
> impressive array of components; check them out to get an idea of what
you'll
> be up against. Most government procurement processes for such a major
> purchase use RFPs and *very* detailed feature/support requirements.
Without
> being able to return an RFP with "Yes" checked off on at least a majority
of
> those features you won't even get consideration. With the appropriations
> already allocated through HAVA and state government financing, they won't
> care if the OVC system is cheaper or better in the long run. You won't win
> contracts with promises and possibilities.
>
> I don't want to sound pessimistic at all; I think this is possible. I do
think
> it is detrimental not to start thinking about these things, however, as
they
> will greatly affect the overall architecture and development of the
system.
> So in closing, yes, you'll need a desktop. While I hope it could be a
Linux
> one, there will be many obstacles to promoting that, thus a need to
consider
> a cross-platform architecture (for now).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Eron
>
> On Thursday 29 January 2004 5:49 pm, Fred McLain wrote:
> > Why would a Linux voting machine require a Linux desktop? I think a
> > bigger concern would be using a virus plagued environment for voting
> > on. There are also cost issues, we are targeting inexpensive hardware
> > for this project and a Windows license could end up costing as much or
> > more then the CPU.
> >
> > On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 14:19, Eron Lloyd wrote:
> > > Speaking of OS platforms, are you targeting a final product able to
run
> > > fully on Win32? I'm thinking of how unsuccessfull it would be trying
to
> > > promote this system to county governments and explain that they'll
need
> > > to migrate their voter registration office desktops to Linux.
> > >
> > > Eron
> > >
> > > On Thursday 29 January 2004 5:00 pm, you wrote:
> > > > I switched my home development environment from Win2k to Redhat 9
some
> > > > time ago and am very, very happy with it. Windoz isn't for
breakfast
> > > > any more :)
> > > >
> > > > -Fred-
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 13:54, Alan Dechert wrote:
> > > > > Jan,
> > > > >
> > > > > > ....... made me suspect that many of you are trapped
> > > > > > in Bill Gates world, .........
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know how many here are trapped. I think most here are not
> > > > > trapped by the MSFT juggernaut. I am, for sure, but I have
entered a
> > > > > 12 step program to get over it.
> > > > >
> > > > > > ...... and do not have access to a Python installation
> > > > > > with the necessary 'curses' module. So to make it possible for
as
> > > > > > many as possible to test the program, I have modified the code
so
> > > > > > that it can be run under Windows as well. It seems to work now,
but
> > > > > > I need to iron out some bugs first before uploading it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To run the program, you will need to install the Python Win32
> > > > > > Extensions:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You may prepare by installing this right now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again for your great work, Jan. I hope we can do justice
to
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alan D.
> > > >
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