Re: [OVC-discuss] Daily Kos vote

From: David Mertz <>
Date: Wed Oct 21 2009 - 12:18:59 CDT

> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 09:50, Ronald Crane <> wrote:
>> And once again, the ballot-printer design is still vulnerable to delay- and
>> denial-of-service attacks, presentation attacks, and selection attacks, all
>> of which are far more difficult to wage against hand-filled paper. Ballot
>> printers are also vulnerable to out-and-out misrecording attacks, since, as
>> Selker has shown, "voter verification" is quite poor at detecting errors.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Edward Cherlin <> wrote:
> Hi, Ron. How do you deal with ballot-box stuffing and other known
> hazards of paper-only?

We have been through this discussion so many times that it seems
needless to do it again.

The plain fact is that all-paper hand marked ballots are a non-starter
idea for any newly implemented voting systems in most jurisdictions.
Per Selker and all, "verification" is no better--and generally far
worse--with hand marked ballots than with and OVC-style Ballot Printer
Architecture (BPA). And moreover, cost advantages of the BPA in the
actual conduct of elections pushes in their direction.

However, the real underlying reason hand marked is a non-starter is
that it simply ignores the requirements--both reasonable and
politically important--of disabled voters. To a lesser extent, it
also ignores the needs of non-English-language voters, or at least
provides less flexible multilingual capabilities. Disabled rights
groups are simply not willing to accept *separate and UNequal* voting
systems for their ghettoized use; and they are also not willing to
accept a loss of their right to vote independently and anonymously
(nor should they be so willing).

Hand marked ballot advocates really just show disrespect for disabled
voters. That's no good.

Yours, David...

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