Re: Daily Kos vote

From: Brent Turner <brent_at_trealestate_dot_net>
Date: Tue Oct 20 2009 - 19:28:26 CDT

My only thought is that it is not an either / or- Certainly the debate is
less than necessary as hand counting may be desirable to some, but is a
political " non-starter" due to volume and costs- .

The hope is to make the risk at slight as possible- and the oversight as
strong as possible. My understanding of the Dechert design is that creates
perfectly marked hand countable paper ballots - that the risk vs. gain is
most impressive- and that the count occurs publicly. I think the BBV and OVC
positions are complimentary- except maybe to some fringe luddite zealots -

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From: ovc-discuss-bounces+brent=trealestate.net@listman.sonic.net
[mailto:ovc-discuss-bounces+brent=trealestate.net@listman.sonic.net] On
Behalf Of Bev Harris
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Daily Kos vote

Public hand counts trump open source in the human rights area. I'm not sure
why
you would "educate" anyone otherwise. Brent is right that the ballot marking
device from OVC produces hand countable ballots. But if they aren't counted
in
public, the only advantage is in certain open records situations; open
source
would at least get us past the proprietary secrets excuse for refusing to
fulfill public records requests.

In the area of public understandability without special expertise, public
hand
counts are superior to open source. In the area of public ability to
authenticate the count as it happens, public hand counts are superior to
open
source. That's not to say that open source is a bad thing, but it certainly
doesn't trump hand counts from a human rights standpoint.

> We have a lot of education to do. I put a poll up with the
> announcement about the Sequoia data. The first time I got to check,
> Open Source had 10 votes, and hand-counted paper ballots 16. We should
> get a much larger sample later in the day.

Bev Harris
Founder - Black Box Voting
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

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