Re: How difficult is software? [Re: OVC-discuss Digest, Vol 37, Issue 18]

From: Edward Cherlin <echerlin_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Tue Nov 27 2007 - 04:20:38 CST

On Nov 27, 2007 12:35 AM, Danny Swarzman <danny@stowlake.com> wrote:
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> Are there studies on overvotes. Does this happen often in a paper ballot
> that is intelligently set up? It seems like a lot of effort goes into this.

Overvoting is common, and I am not talking about the double-punched
butterfly ballots where people poked the hole above Gore, not knowing
it was a vote for Buchanan, and then punched the hole for Gore. Yes,
there are studies. Google is your friend.

Double punching, stray pencil marks, marking way outside the circles,
all are ways to overvote in different voting technologies. Voting for
more than M candidates in M-out-of-N races is common. There are other
forms.

> Undervotes are even more suspect. Aren't most undervotes intentional?

By no means. People will often vote the various races and measures out
of order, and forget to go back, or simply fail to notice an item.
Unintentional voting for fewer than M candidates in M-out-of-N races
is common.

> If we could eliminate precinct scanners, we could same some big bucks.
> Counting ballots on high speed central scanners cuts a lot of steps–read
> vulnerabilities–from the process.

And introduces other vulnerabilities, unless the electronic and paper
records are both protected from tampering, and are then compared, and
remain available for audit. And a few other things. Which, as far as I
know, is only possible with a combined electronic-and-paper system.

> -Danny
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> On Nov 26, 2007, at 10:30 PM, Ronald Crane wrote:
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> + overvotes can be prevented, and undervotes can be detected
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