Re: Ms. Tobi's overheated rhetoric

From: Nancy Tobi <nancy_dot_tobi_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Mon Nov 12 2007 - 10:40:57 CST

San Francisco is using IRV. I don't have expertise to offer in that area,
but someone had written about this on a different thread. I have asked Rob
Ritchie of FairVote to provide information on hand count IRV, but haven't
heard back. I know at one point he said he knew of someplace that did that.

On Nov 11, 2007 11:17 PM, Brent Turner <brent@openvotingconsortium.org>
wrote:

> Notwithstanding L A and NY Let's take the time to configure a real life
> scenario- Namely San Francisco waiting for the hand count plan while
> evaluating their options- The hand counters should make their case right
> here right now and focus for SF-
>
> BT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arthur Keller [mailto:voting@kellers.org]
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:07 PM
> To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list
> Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Ms. Tobi's overheated rhetoric
>
> At 7:56 PM -0500 11/11/07, Arlene Montemarano wrote:
> >With seven races and two initiatives, the six teams of two people
> >each were able to hand-count twice 944 ballots in four hours.
> >
> >In Rockport, it took about one hour to hand-count 522 ballots; there
> >were six races and no initiatives. In Hudson it took about one hour
> >to hand-count 59 ballots; there were 14 races and no initiatives.
> >As noted, both communities used ballot boxes that provided a degree
> >of security for the ballots.
>
> I have a sample ballot from the November 2004 Presidential Election
> (for Daly City) in my files. This ballot has the following contests:
>
> President/Vice President
> Senator
> Congressman
> State Assemblyman
> County School Board (3 separate races)
> City Council (vote for no more than two)
> City Treasurer
> County Harbor District (vote for no more than three)
> State Propositions (16 separate yes/no questions)
> County Measures (5 separate yes/no questions)
> City Measures (2 separate yes/no questions)
>
> That's 8 regular races, 2 multi-candidate races, and 23 yes/no
> propositions and measures.
>
> And that's typical for an even year primary or general election.
>
> I was Precinct Inspector in the November 2006 election where 501
> ballots were cast at our polling place (not counting vote-by-mail
> envelopes deposited with us).
>
> New Hampshire consists mainly of small towns. How would you
> hand-count the one million or so votes in the City of Los Angeles or
> the well over one million votes in the City of New York? Would you
> use computers to record and sum up the totals from each precinct? Or
> would you do that on an abacus?
>
> Best regards,
> Arthur
>
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