Re: Focus on Rights

From: Teresa Hommel <tahommel_at_earthlink_dot_net>
Date: Mon Nov 12 2007 - 10:11:26 CST

Whether or not the computers work, computers destroy the legitimacy of
elections. Legitimacy requires average citizens to be able to understand
and observe the handling and counting of votes, and attest that the
procedures were proper and honest.

As to election fraud, please see
http://www.wheresthepaper.org/ElectionFraud_DontWorryAboutPaperBallotsNov16_07.htm

Teresa Hommel

compodinamic wrote:

>Dear Ronald Crane
>It is known that with the manual vote counting is possible cheat much more
>easily than with a machine.
>We believe the voting and counting manual are safer because are the people
>that effect its:
>we can not doubt ourselves, and in particular many of ourselves. It is the
>basic principle of democracy.
>The machine, however it can not be wrong, neither before, nor during, or
>after. Otherwise, we doubt of it.
>My Voting technology makes the machines work as a working man, it may be
>wrong, are possible that there is attempts of fraud, but these are
>controlled and
>monitored in the same way as Voting and manual counting.
>Giuseppe Cascella
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ronald Crane" <voting@lastland.net>
>To: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list" <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
>Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Focus on Rights
>
>
>
>
>>compodinamic wrote:
>>
>>
>>>We accept that in the manual counting can be mistakes, because we
>>>assigning
>>>it to one or plus person.
>>>The machine can not be wrong, or it works or it doesn't work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>So you're saying that intermittent faults in -- or an intermittent
>>frauds committed using -- machines do not exist? If so, your assertion
>>runs counter to the entire history of computational devices.
>>
>>
>>> We need to reassure the voters that the machine works even if there is
>>>a
>>>failure or if there is an attempt to alter the vote.
>>>In practice, the voter must feel that the vote that expressed " is its
>>>vote
>>>and not the vote of the machine."
>>>My search technology to achieve this result.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>The issue is not really what the voter "feels", but what the procedure
>>permits the voter to supervise. A system that helps voters "feel" good
>>can still cheat them. Many people "felt" very good about DREs -- until
>>activists pointed out the many ways in which they can fail or be used to
>>commit fraud.
>>
>>A good voting system permits a public having ordinary intelligence and
>>minimal training to effectively supervise the entire voting procedure. A
>>bad voting system requires substantial expert supervision. Citizens
>>running and supervising their own elections is democracy in action.
>>Citizens delegating the running and supervision of their elections to
>>machinery and to experts is tyranny in utero.
>>
>>-R
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