Re: Ms. Tobi's overheated rhetoric

From: Arlene Montemarano <mikarl_at_starpower_dot_net>
Date: Thu Nov 08 2007 - 17:09:49 CST

Mr. Cherlin, I am sure you must understand the difference between
"wholesale" and "retail" fraud. If not, I suggest you read "Brave New
Ballot", by Avi Rubin. It is a great read anyway.

The logistics and the scale of opportunity with either system make them
hardly comparable. Stick a ballot box in your sleeve? Stick a memory
card in your sleeve? Just a small example of what I am saying.

Edward Cherlin wrote:
> On Nov 3, 2007 3:45 AM, Arlene Montemarano <> wrote:
>> (This will tick some people off.)
>> Bravo! Well said!
>> As a 'little person', I appreciate recognition that all the computer jargon
>> remains very much Greek to me, and very very intimidating to many of us
>> without the capacity to understand what it is doing with my very precious
>> vote. That does not make me a moron. I believe it makes me typical of
>> voters.
>> Nancy does understand it
> Well, you see, that's the problem right there. This turns out not to
> be the case. Nancy, however nice and well-intentioned she may be,
> utterly fails to understand security of any kind. Paper ballots have
> been hacked for as long as they have existed. The relatively recent,
> extremely sorry case of "Landslide" Lyndon Johnson and his tame
> lawyer, Abe Fortas, is but one of a multitude.
> We do not want to complexify voting for the sake of complexity, but we
> do want a system with more than one data path, in this case paper and
> electronic together. As with double-entry bookeeping, you have to have
> two entries for everything in order to have a properly auditable
> system. Bookkeeping and accounting are complex, too complex for most
> of us to follow in detail, but without them, corporate fraud would be
> many times worse than it is. The Enron fraud required collusion
> between Enron and its accountants. Public auditing for elections (that
> is, auditing done *by* the public, not just *in* public) would make
> such collusion far more difficult to get away with.
> They do say, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."
>> and wants to simplify the process for ALL of us
>> down to its necessities. Paper ballot, I mark it myself, I watch people
>> count it right there in the room, I can keep track of it all and do not have
>> to 'trust' and hope and wonder. Can any of the experts in computer
>> technology ever understand how empowering that is?
>> It would be such a relief if we could all of us then become experts in
>> voting and our own voting process.
> Sorry. Can't happen, won't happen. The universe is not responsive to
> my personal will. I just live here and try to make the best of it.
> "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no
> simpler."--Attributed to Albert Einstein

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