Re: Fwd: OVC-discuss Digest, Vol 25, Issue 48

From: <dr-jekyll_at_att_dot_net>
Date: Thu Nov 30 2006 - 12:05:45 CST

There is no doubt that:
1) The people selected need training before election day.
2) They should be paid some reasonable wage, not $6 or $8 per day as some jury duty pays.
3) We should allow people to volunteer provided they don't have a conflict of interest in the
     outcome. ie government employees, political appointees, political activists, office seekers,
     office holders, etc.
4) The Chicago Grand Jury recommendations included a provision for government employees
     to be available to supply expertise, but not to be hands-on clerks nor election judges.
5) By forcing all operations to be conducted publicly, the public will learn more about the
    processes just by watching in person or on TV. Right now, they are kept in the dark
    because so much is done behind closed doors.

Yes, it does cost money to run an election, but I think the costs of implementing these is very small when compared to the costs of HAVA.

--
Kurt 
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-------------- Original message from Charlie Strauss <cems@earthlink.net>: -------------- 
> 
> On Nov 30, 2006, at 6:01 AM, dr-jekyll@att.net wrote: 
> 
> > The jury selection process is one of random choice followed by 
> > screening for qualifications. The poll worker selection process 
> > could do the same. 
> 
> 
> True if you want to add yet another layer to the process. But more 
> importantly a jury is a highly supervised operation with professional 
> judges, bailiffs, alternate jurors, and the whole machinery. pretty 
> mugh they just sit and listen and do what they are told. Most 
> citizens are viewed competent to do so, so compelling them is not a 
> burden per se. 
> 
> Polls require lots of skills and the worker are the only real 
> supervisors. 
> 
> 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Kurt 
> > 
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> > -------------- Original message from Charlie Strauss 
> > : -------------- 
> > 
> > 
> > > It's not so simple since poll working is physically demanding and 
> > > many would not be qualified. However, you could possibly achieve 
> > > the identical goal by simply allowing people selected for the jury 
> > > pool to opt out if they will serve as a poll worker. They would need 
> > > to declare themseleves fit to do so, but the self selection would 
> > > remove the problem of "forcing" people who were unfit. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Jerry Lobdill wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > I have also recommended that workers in the audits be selected 
> > in a 
> > > > manner similar to jury duty. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >> Message: 7 
> > > >> 
> > > >> In 1908, the grand jury that investigated Chicago 's primary 
> > of that 
> > > >> year recommended that poll workers be selected in a manner 
> > similar 
> > > >> to jury duty. They also added that candidates, office holders, 
> > and 
> > > >> government workers, because so many of them were part of the 
> > frauds 
> > > >> and do have obvious conflicts of interest, not be allowed to work 
> > > >> at the polls. 
> > > >> 
> > > >> -- 
> > > >> Kurt 
> > > > 
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