Re: Fwd: Question re. audits in Wisconsin

From: Ron Crane <voting_at_lastland_dot_net>
Date: Mon Nov 06 2006 - 20:29:43 CST
Douglas W. Jones wrote:
On Nov 6, 2006, at 2:04 PM, charlie strauss wrote:

Yeah TAR would be dandy.

I have no disagreement with targeted recounts.  The recipe I've
been recommending for some time allows the parties to target
some precincts while retaining random precincts in the mix as
well, with a minimum of 3 precincts recounted (one at random and
one for each party),
Each party with a candidate in the race? Each party registered in the jurisdiction? Or only each major party? I'd argue for at least (1), and possibly (2).
 with additional precincts added to bring the
audit up to the set percentage(s) in the jurisdiction.
Keeping some fraction of the audit truly random deters an agreement
between the parties to target their audits away from the fraudulent
precincts -- this could happen where one party is so dominant that
they tell some of their members to register under the opposing party
so that they can serve as pollworkers and observers for the
opposition -- this has happened in Chicago, and not just in the
distant past!

Yes. We need a combination of random and targeted recounts. Targeted recounts alone are insufficient not just when one party is hyper-dominant, but where a candidate does not aggressively contest fraud. This happens more often than you might expect. One might point, for example, to John Kerry's quick concession in Ohio, 2004, which left the contest to the Green and Libertarian candidates. The courts promptly declared them to lack standing to challenge miscounts that allegedly disfavored Kerry, leaving the race essentially uncontested despite numerous credible allegations of fraud (e.g., ).

In addition, a voter has an interest in the proper counting of her votes (and of everyone else's votes) totally apart from the candidates' interests, and that interest is not necessarily served by targeted recounts, particularly those conducted under the candidates' auspices.


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