# Re: Fwd: Question re. audits in Wisconsin

From: <dr-jekyll_at_att_dot_net>
Date: Mon Nov 06 2006 - 13:43:57 CST

Jerry,

I normally agree with you, but on this one I'm still a hold-out for TAR (Targeted Audit Recount) which lets the candidates determine where the recounts should be with the losing candidates' getting the lion's share. If they want to use 10-sided dice, great. Same for rand() on the spreadsheet. But sometimes the candidates know where to look for the problems because they have other evidence like we did with LBJ and Ballot Box 13 in Alice, Texas.

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-------------- Original message from Jerry Lobdill <lobdillj@charter.net>: --------------
The Excel spreadsheet function RAND() generates uniform random numbers.
For transparency I prefer the David Dill et al method using 10 sided dice.
Jerry Lobdill
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Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Fwd: Question re. audits in Wisconsin
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The questions for any random number generator are:

1.  What is the seed, and how is it chosen?
2.  Does the same seed result in the same list of pseudo random numbers?

Note:  good random number generators use functions involving very precise clocks or pi or some other function that will NOT allow ready prediction of a deterministic result.  All random number generators are not created equal.

The real question, then, is still the transparancy of the process.  How are things done and who gets to know about it and who controls how it works?

-- Dick
Kathy Dopp <kathy.dopp@gmail.com> wrote:
I have this same question for Utah - although they may select a different random number generator program.
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From: Paul Malischke <malischke@yahoo.com >
Date: Nov 5, 2006 9:14 PM
Subject: audits in Wisconsin
To: kathy@electionarchive.org
Hello,
The Wisconsin State Elections Board completed the procedure for audits of vote counts over the weekend.  They plan to use Excel's random number generator for selecting which areas are audited.  I am not familiar with this.  Does it meet our goal of a transparent method of selection?
The procedures are at http://www.fairelectionswi.com/audits/audits.htm
Paul Malischke
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