Re: FOIA tutorial for Kathy

From: Kathy Dopp <kathy_at_directell_dot_com>
Date: Thu Nov 11 2004 - 09:12:01 CST

Jim March said:
> Kathy Dopp wrote:
>>Our group will provide the statistical evidence to pinpoint certain
>> counties election results as being suspect, provide statistical
>> evidence you can take to court and leave the rest to you other experts.

> 'Kay, we can do that. You point us to where there's trouble, we'll home
> in there.
> One part of public records I didn't cover: there's generally an "initial
> response window" (in California, 10 days) in which (at a minimum) they
> "describe what they've got" and what it'll cost. They then often
> (usually) ask for a 20-day extension, or they can cough up at the 10 day
> point.

Not sure what you mean. do you mean that these election records have to
be asked for within 10 days after an election?

We will never get our analyses done to pinpoint counties by then. We
haven't set up the server yet or culled all the data for all the states.
It may take weeks or month(s) to get ready to begin the comprehensive
analyses. We hope to have a system in place by 2006 to produce it within
days of the election, but it's a lot of work.

I'm thinking of this as a 2-year project altogether to first produce
enough analyses to uncover suspicious looking counties and then produce
the detailed analyses needed for court and do the recounts, but perhaps w/
money we could cut the time down.

Jim, if you want to call me do. 435-608-1382

> The "day 10 letter" will also contain any objections to what you're
> asking for.
> So knowing how strongly they object to being dug into, we have a pretty
> damn good clue who's dirty :).
> If we then cross-reference that data from our ( records request
> with your statistics, we'll know where to REALLY dig deep 'cuz there's
> bodies buried. "Digging" often means suing under these open records
> laws over wrongful denial. A good example of a legal decision in such a
> case is the 1986 California Supreme Court "CBS v. Block" which can be
> read at:
> And yes, it's gun-related but it's directly about public records so if
> you want to see how a court copes with these issues, there ya go, your
> choice of my short summary or the whole unedited text below that.
> Jim

Kathy Dopp
Utah Count Votes
phone: 435-608-1382
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