Re: BBV FOIA requests

From: Fred McLain <mclain_at_zipcon_dot_net>
Date: Tue Nov 09 2004 - 01:05:25 CST

Arthur, thanks for clarifying that. I'm in complete agreement that we
shouldn't exclusively support an organization for any of these steps.
Open voting groups that collect the information, analyze it, and fix the
problem (like we are doing) need to unite. Undoubtedly there will be
ones with excessive self interest or slant that we do not want to be
associated with.

To reverse the question, are there potentially any groups we should be
support of? I don't believe that our efforts will be successful in the
long term unless we work with others. We are part of the process, but
not the only part.

The mechanism most commonly used in the commercial world is a press
release. This is something I believe would be most helpful to us right
now, as I said, time is of the essence. We have a distinct opportunity
now, but perhaps not next week.

        -Fred-

On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 22:47, Arthur Keller wrote:
> There are 3 groups that appear to be doing similar work: Vote Watch
> (.us), Black Box Voting (.org), and Kathy Dopp. If the OVC is to
> weigh in (and we don't have a mechanism for doing so), I think we
> shouldn't choose one in preference to the others. I have been
> privately encouraging these efforts, but not in my capacity as an
> officer of the OVC.
>
> Best regards,
> Arthur
>
> At 8:46 PM -0800 11/8/04, Fred McLain wrote:
> >I understand your stance on this Arthur, what's the reasoning behind
> >it? I know you well enough to be sure that it isn't a "not invented
> >here" issue.
> >
> >I'm in favor of this because it would create a synergy between finding
> >out what happened with e-voting in the last election and producing a
> >solution. Others, including Kathy and Charlie are in an ideal position
> >to analyze the FOIA information if BBV gets it, (note they are saying
> >they'll put it up on a site). Is it possible that a great deal of
> >synergy could happen here?
> >
> >Getting the facts via FOIA --> Analyze the data --> Fix the problem.
> >
> >Right now we have BBV, Kathy and Charlie, and the OVC to accomplish
> >this. Being mutually supporting helps this process, not to mention
> >generating a bunch of press releases at a critical time.
> >
> >Just my 2 cents,
> >
> > -Fred-
> >
> >On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 16:37, Arthur Keller wrote:
> >> It is my opinion that OVC should not as an organization take such a
> >> stand. Individuals affiliated with the OVC should feel welcome to
> >> take a stand themselves. OVC has no framework for making such a
> >> decision without board involvement.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Arthur
> >>
> >> At 8:01 AM -0800 11/8/04, Fred McLain wrote:
> >> >Wow, this sure got out of hand. Folks, I was recommending we support
> >> >the FOIA requests by BBV. What the heck is wrong with that? Can't we
> >> >take any action without it being a drawn out argument? Time is of the
> >> >essence.
> >> >
> >> > -Fred-
> >> >
> >> >On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 21:34, Fred McLain wrote:
> >> >> >From what I've seen recently, there is a consensus that OVC
> >>members here
> >> >> support Bev's Freedom of Information Act requests for voting records of
> >> >> every county in the US. I personally am of the opinion that officially
> >> >> announcing our support will add to the synergy between our
> >> >> organizations. Some here may have reservations about this. I believe
> >> >> that inaction is more of a problem then positive action. The push for
> >> >> open records is hand in hand with promoting open voting systems.
> >> >>
> >> >> Opinions?
> >> >>
> >> >> -Fred-
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>
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