Re: BBV FOIA requests

From: Arthur Keller <arthur_at_kellers_dot_org>
Date: Tue Nov 09 2004 - 00:47:27 CST

There are 3 groups that appear to be doing similar work: Vote Watch
(.us), Black Box Voting (.org), and Kathy Dopp. If the OVC is to
weigh in (and we don't have a mechanism for doing so), I think we
shouldn't choose one in preference to the others. I have been
privately encouraging these efforts, but not in my capacity as an
officer of the OVC.

Best regards,

At 8:46 PM -0800 11/8/04, Fred McLain wrote:
>I understand your stance on this Arthur, what's the reasoning behind
>it? I know you well enough to be sure that it isn't a "not invented
>here" issue.
>I'm in favor of this because it would create a synergy between finding
>out what happened with e-voting in the last election and producing a
>solution. Others, including Kathy and Charlie are in an ideal position
>to analyze the FOIA information if BBV gets it, (note they are saying
>they'll put it up on a site). Is it possible that a great deal of
>synergy could happen here?
>Getting the facts via FOIA --> Analyze the data --> Fix the problem.
>Right now we have BBV, Kathy and Charlie, and the OVC to accomplish
>this. Being mutually supporting helps this process, not to mention
>generating a bunch of press releases at a critical time.
>Just my 2 cents,
> -Fred-
>On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 16:37, Arthur Keller wrote:
>> It is my opinion that OVC should not as an organization take such a
>> stand. Individuals affiliated with the OVC should feel welcome to
>> take a stand themselves. OVC has no framework for making such a
>> decision without board involvement.
>> Best regards,
>> Arthur
>> At 8:01 AM -0800 11/8/04, Fred McLain wrote:
>> >Wow, this sure got out of hand. Folks, I was recommending we support
>> >the FOIA requests by BBV. What the heck is wrong with that? Can't we
>> >take any action without it being a drawn out argument? Time is of the
>> >essence.
>> >
>> > -Fred-
>> >
>> >On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 21:34, Fred McLain wrote:
>> >> >From what I've seen recently, there is a consensus that OVC
>>members here
>> >> support Bev's Freedom of Information Act requests for voting records of
>> >> every county in the US. I personally am of the opinion that officially
>> >> announcing our support will add to the synergy between our
>> >> organizations. Some here may have reservations about this. I believe
>> >> that inaction is more of a problem then positive action. The push for
>> >> open records is hand in hand with promoting open voting systems.
>> >>
>> >> Opinions?
>> >>
>> >> -Fred-
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>

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