Re: Strange patterns by voting machine in florida e-voting??

From: Kathy Dopp <kathy_at_directell_dot_com>
Date: Sat Nov 06 2004 - 19:10:22 CST

Alan Dechert said:
> Dear voting-project list participants:
>
> Just a reminder. From our Bylaws:
>
> "(a) Vision and Mission: Our vision is a world in which voting systems
> are inexpensive, readily available, reliable, easy to use, accessible,
> universal, transparent, auditable, and produce verifiable election
> results. Our mission is to develop, maintain, and deliver a universal
> open voting system for use in public elections." [footnote: Doug Jones
> says this should be "systems " i.e., plural ... we'll probably change
> this accordingly as we have on our home page]
>
> While I do see investigations of election system anomalies helpful, I'm
> not sure that organizing volunteers in this way is central to the OVC
> mission. I am sure that the last thing we want is for OVC to appear to
> be overladen with partisan sour grapes.
>
> Alan D.
>

As I said earlier Alan. I apologize. It was an innocent mistake I made by
not looking at the from/to fields because I thought that discussion was
already off-list. I will "try" not to do it again, but I agree with
Barbara Simons that I would rather have the Reply go back to the sender
only by default.

Kathy

>>
>> Patricia Gracian said:
>> > I love this idea. I don't know how one gets all the phone numbers.
>> But we had armies of volunteers making calls to get out the vote, so
>> we could get one of those organizations involved to get the job
>> done. There's nothing like an actual count. Let me know if you don't
>> find someone to do it and I'll try to contact some groups that were
>> making calls.
>>
>> Well, I'd rather put those armies of volunteers to work on gathering
>> data we need from each county to further analyze and double-check our
>> results. i.e. we still need by county election results by ballot type
>> and vote counting method for each ballot type for early, precinct,
>> absentee, and provisional votes. The numbers are publicly available,
>> but must be obtained w/ manual phone calls.
>>
>> As to a poll of Liberty county, I would rather leave that to a
>> competent pollster who knows what he/she is doing and can evaluate
>> whether a small county like Liberty would be a valid sample because it
>> is likely that for analysis, we need to ignore data from smaller
>> counties. (see
>> http://ustogether.org/election04/Little_Analysis.html ) Although an
>> informal poll might be helpful, I wouldn't want to piss people off and
>> I'm not sure it's even legal to ask people how they voted and who's to
>> tell if they would even tell the truth about how they cast their
>> ballot. I don't know enough about polling myself, but perhaps you know
>> more about it than I do and would feel more comfortable conducting a
>> poll.
>>
>> I know my first reaction was that it was a great idea, but I've
>> reflected a little on how it might be done and decided that I don't
>> know enough to venture one.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kathy
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Robert Rapplean" <robert@rapplean.net>
>> > To: <voting-project@lists.sonic.net>
>> > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 4:13 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Strange patterns by voting machine in
>> florida e-voting??
>> >
>> >
>> >> Ok, let's talk about Liberty County, folks. There are only 4000 or
>> so registered voters there, over 3000 of them registered as Dem.
>> And yet over 1900 of them voted Republican and 1000 or so voted
>> Republican. I think it should be reasonably possible to get on the
>> phone and call all of those people and do a survey.
>> >>
>> >> Kathy Dopp wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hello Everyone,
>> >> >
>> >> >I thought you might be interested to know that I got 17,000
>> visitors
>> >> to
>> > my
>> >> >web page yesterday
>> >> >
>> >> >http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm
>> >> >
>> >> >and that statistical analysis is showing, that even with smaller
>> >> counties removed from the study, the pattern is statistically
>> significant.
>> >> >
>> >> >http://ustogether.org/election04/Little_Analysis.html
>> >> >
>> >> >I put a small link to OVC on the bottom of the page so you may get
>> >> some traffic from it.
>> >> >
>> >> >i still say that the donation link text is unattractive and needs
>> to
>> >> show something when the mouse moves over it.
>> >> >
>> >> >Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> >Kathy
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kathy Dopp
>> Utah Count Votes
>> http://UtahCountVotes.org
>> phone: 435-608-1382
>>
>> "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never
>> was and never will be . . . The People cannot be safe without
>> information. When the press is free, and every man is able to read,
>> all is safe." Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth they can be
>> depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring
>> them the real facts" Abraham Lincoln
>>
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Kathy Dopp
Utah Count Votes
http://UtahCountVotes.org
phone: 435-608-1382
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was
and never will be . . . The People cannot be safe without information.
When the press is free, and every man is able to read, all is safe."
Thomas Jefferson
I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth they can be
depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring
them the real facts” Abraham Lincoln
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