Re: Strange patterns by voting machine in florida e-voting??

From: Alan Dechert <alan_at_openvotingconsortium_dot_org>
Date: Sat Nov 06 2004 - 13:27:18 CST

Dear voting-project list participants:

Just a reminder. From our Bylaws:

"(a) Vision and Mission: Our vision is a world in which voting systems are
inexpensive, readily available, reliable, easy to use, accessible,
universal, transparent, auditable, and produce verifiable election results.
Our mission is to develop, maintain, and deliver a universal open voting
system for use in public elections." [footnote: Doug Jones says this should
be "systems " i.e., plural ... we'll probably change this accordingly as we
have on our home page]

While I do see investigations of election system anomalies helpful, I'm not
sure that organizing volunteers in this way is central to the OVC mission.
I am sure that the last thing we want is for OVC to appear to be overladen
with partisan sour grapes.

Alan D.

>
> Patricia Gracian said:
> > I love this idea. I don't know how one gets all the phone numbers. But
> > we had armies of volunteers making calls to get out the vote, so we
> > could get one of those organizations involved to get the job done.
> > There's nothing like an actual count. Let me know if you don't find
> > someone to do it and I'll try to contact some groups that were making
> > calls.
>
> Well, I'd rather put those armies of volunteers to work on gathering data
> we need from each county to further analyze and double-check our results.
> i.e. we still need by county election results by ballot type and vote
> counting method for each ballot type for early, precinct, absentee, and
> provisional votes. The numbers are publicly available, but must be
> obtained w/ manual phone calls.
>
> As to a poll of Liberty county, I would rather leave that to a competent
> pollster who knows what he/she is doing and can evaluate whether a small
> county like Liberty would be a valid sample because it is likely that for
> analysis, we need to ignore data from smaller counties. (see
> http://ustogether.org/election04/Little_Analysis.html ) Although an
> informal poll might be helpful, I wouldn't want to piss people off and I'm
> not sure it's even legal to ask people how they voted and who's to tell if
> they would even tell the truth about how they cast their ballot. I don't
> know enough about polling myself, but perhaps you know more about it than
> I do and would feel more comfortable conducting a poll.
>
> I know my first reaction was that it was a great idea, but I've reflected
> a little on how it might be done and decided that I don't know enough to
> venture one.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kathy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Rapplean" <robert@rapplean.net>
> > To: <voting-project@lists.sonic.net>
> > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 4:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: Strange patterns by voting machine in
> > florida e-voting??
> >
> >
> >> Ok, let's talk about Liberty County, folks. There are only 4000 or so
> >> registered voters there, over 3000 of them registered as Dem. And yet
> >> over 1900 of them voted Republican and 1000 or so voted Republican. I
> >> think it should be reasonably possible to get on the phone and call
> >> all of those people and do a survey.
> >>
> >> Kathy Dopp wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hello Everyone,
> >> >
> >> >I thought you might be interested to know that I got 17,000 visitors
> >> to
> > my
> >> >web page yesterday
> >> >
> >> >http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm
> >> >
> >> >and that statistical analysis is showing, that even with smaller
> >> counties removed from the study, the pattern is statistically
> >> significant.
> >> >
> >> >http://ustogether.org/election04/Little_Analysis.html
> >> >
> >> >I put a small link to OVC on the bottom of the page so you may get
> >> some traffic from it.
> >> >
> >> >i still say that the donation link text is unattractive and needs to
> >> show something when the mouse moves over it.
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >
> >> >Kathy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
>
>
> --
> Kathy Dopp
> Utah Count Votes
> http://UtahCountVotes.org
> phone: 435-608-1382
>
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>
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> depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring
> them the real facts" Abraham Lincoln
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