Secure and anonymous internet voting???

From: Dennis <dpaull_at_svpal_dot_org>
Date: Thu Nov 13 2003 - 22:54:15 CST

Hi all,

Sorry to be slightly off-topic during your rush to alph release,
but here's something that might pique your interest.

I just saw this post about Entropy, a successor to FreeNet as a
secure way to access the internet completely anonymously. My thoughts
turned to ways to allow internet voting and wondered if the
technology, which I don't have a clue about, might lead to something.


>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:23:54 -0500
>From: Dave Farber <>
>Subject: [IP] more on Open-source pro-privacy freebies
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>Declan, Dave:
>More on [Politech] New Zealand activist's crime of sending political email?
>[fs]; posted to the NZLUG recently.
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>Subject: [nzlug] Open-source pro-privacy freebies
>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:32
>From: David McNab <>
>Hi all,
>If you're happy to have government webcams in your car and in every room
>of your house, then stop reading this post now and delete it. Take your
>blue pill with a nice warm glass of milk, and forget you ever saw this.
>Everyone else, please read on...
>As most of you know, an Aucklander is facing criminal charges for
>sending an email message to the US consulate, in which he criticises US
>foreign policy. What makes this letter unique is that the author makes
>no threats, and breaks no laws, save for an obscure provision in one of
>NZ's new 'terrist under every bed' laws.
>Most of you will already be familiar with Freenet - a prototype
>peer2peer network infrastructure that allows for anonymous, encrypted
>online communication. Freenet was the original spearhead of technologies
>which allow people to publish and/or retrieve information anonymously,
>and which makes it next to impossible for third parties to ascertain the
>source or destination of traffic.
>Freenet uses 'whack-a-mole' routing and caching, with the result that
>any attempt to censor information, or determine the publisher or
>retriever of information, actually causes the information to proliferate
>through the network - creating a 'Heisenberg' effect. The unique nature
>of the routing/caching also provides viable 'plausible deniability'
>defense for people whose nodes are used as intermediate caches.
>Freenet is in widespread use amongst pro-democracy campaigners within
>China, and other repressive regimes.
>But if you've actually tried Freenet, you'll be sorely aware that in its
>present alpha state, it's a slow, bloated CPU/memory hog with
>reliability that's only patchy at best.
>But the miracle of the Internet is that a problem doesn't persist long
>before solutions start to manifest, as if from nowhere.
>In answer to freenet's practical problems, a whole new suite of software
>called Entropy has been developed.
>Entropy is 100% freenet compatible (from the point of view of the
>protocol - FCP - which you use to talk to it from client programs).
>It's also compatible in the sense that it has a built-in HTTP gateway,
>so you can surf 'freesites' with your web browser, just like with
>freenet. But as another plus, Entropy's web interface also has built-in
>web message boards.
>But what makes Entropy *really* different is that it's written in ANSI C
>(as opposed to Freenet being in Java).
>[I'm sure I don't need to explain what happens to a program when it
>throws off that cast-lead albatross called Java.]
>Entropy's value is that it puts the Freenet ideas into practice, in a
>piece of software that actually works, and works fast and reliable,
>without undue demand on resources.
>I for one am very committed to online privacy, because of the abuses
>which are starting to happen - for example, that Aucklander mentioned
>I recommend that if you've got even the slightest aversion to George
>Orwell's 1984 scenario, that you download and install the Entropy
>software, and get a node up and running. If you like, you can also post
>your noderef into as a reply to this thread (you're welcome to use my
>own noderef -
>More and more people every day are writing client software for Entropy.
>For instance, I've not long ago written a POP/SMTP MTA (mail server)
>called 'FreeMail' that uses Entropy as its transport - and unlike
>conventional PGP/SMTP solutions, it disguises even the fact that you're
>sending or receiving messages at all. Alpha testing has been happening
>for a month, in which FreeMail has stabilised to near-beta quality.
>Writing client software for Freenet or Entropy is easy - there are
>easy-to-use SDK libraries already implemented in C, Python, Perl and
>(ulp!) Java.
>If Entropy follows its present path, it can be expected to grow into a
>huge international 'nether-net', and the rightful successor to Freenet.
>So if any of you are wondering what the hell has happened to me, this is
>what I've been doing - writing lotsa Python software - with a focus on
>privacy-related stuff.
>Oh, before I go, I thought I should also mention another excellent piece
>of privacy software.
>IIP - Invisible IRC Proxy (, is a
>peer2peer gateway that allows you to use your favourite IRC client to
>enjoy strong-encrypted, anonymous online chat. Any attempts to discover
>the IP addresses of others using IIP will just return the ubiquitous
>''. With IIP, you can set up your own chat rooms, or join
>existing chat rooms, or talk 1:1 with privmsg, and speak with a freedom
>that will withstand virtually any attack (save for the government here
>TEMPESTing you or planting a keylogger in your box).
>So - now might be a really good time to put your feelings about privacy
>into practice, and get your Entropy and IIP nodes running. Just compile
>them, stick 'em in your inits, and use at will.
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