Re: Another question: do we want machine-marked ballots for everybody?

From: Ronald Crane <voting_at_lastland_dot_net>
Date: Tue May 26 2009 - 13:44:24 CDT

I agree about e-pollbooks, and would add that they could be used to wage
attacks on voters' eligibility.

In my county, there are two sets of sign-in logs. One is
alphabetically-sorted, and when you sign in, the pollworkers draw a line
through your entry. The other log contains your signature and address,
and is therefore implicitly sorted by sign-in time.


Arthur Keller wrote:
> At least in Santa Clara County, California, sign in logs (known as the
> Roster Index) are sorted alphabetically. But this is another argument
> against electronic pollbooks, which presumably could (or would)
> maintain time and date data on when the voter appeared at the polls
> (if only in some kind of log).
> Best regards,
> Arthur
> At 10:06 AM -0700 5/26/09, Ronald Crane wrote:
>> Arthur Keller wrote:
>>> At 6:45 PM -0700 5/25/09, Joe wrote:
>>>> How about instead of machine marks, you have two poll workers thumb
>>>> print each official ballot so there is a wet ink print. This would
>>>> authenticate the document beyond question.
>>>> maybe you could have a timestamp below the thumbprint.
>>> Joe, ballots are supposed to be anonymous (not traceable to an
>>> individual), except for provisional ballots in limited
>>> circumstances. Once it is determined a vote-by-mail ballot is to be
>>> counted, it should be removed from the envelope without examination
>>> and placed in a pile of ballots to be processed.
>>> Also recording the order in which voters appear is considered
>>> illegal in many jurisdictions.
>> The pollworkers' thumbprints don't violate voters' anonymity, and
>> they provide less information about sequencing than some other voting
>> mechanisms. Ballot boxes implicitly preserve pretty fine-grained
>> sequence information, and e-voting machines can (and most probably
>> do) preserve absolute sequence information via internal timestamps.
>> Also, sign-in logs preserve sequence information, which can then be
>> correlated with ballots to determine pretty clearly who voted which
>> ballot.
>> The proposed timestamps, on the other hand, provide too much
>> sequencing information.

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