Re: Why I am a Poll Worker

From: Edmund R. Kennedy <ekennedyx_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Date: Tue May 23 2006 - 10:03:29 CDT

Hello All:

What are these 'well known' and notorious cases of
election fraud? Be specific!

Voting by mail is vastly superior to voting on a
Diebold TsX. It routinely and successfully done in
both Oregon and Washington State. Besides, any minor
fraud falls under the 'retail' fraud classification.
I believe that OVC has decided generally to address
'wholesale' voting fraud and ignore trivial matters
until later. As for voters' 'buyer's remorse', first
of all, that just sound like sour grapes to me and any
voter can hold onto thier ballot until election day.
In California, as long as an absentee ballot is
postmarked on election day, it has to be counted.
Let's try and focus on real problems folks.
Perfectionism is the enemey of competence.

Thanks, Ed Kennedy

--- Alan Dechert <dechert@gmail.com> wrote:

> The security issues with vote by mail are notorious.
> Most of the documented
> cases of vote fraud in recent decades involve vote
> by mail.
>
> The basic problem is that custody of the ballots is
> lost from the time they
> are mailed to voters to the time they are received
> back by officials. There
> is no way to track who all touches the ballots. In
> San Mateo County CA, a
> voter can go to the Internet and check to see that
> their ballot was received
> after it was mailed back. This is an improvement,
> but how many other ways
> can such ballots be lost or corrupted?
>
> Besides that, early voting, which vote by mail
> encourages, is a problem. In
> a radio program I was on last week, Jill LaVine,
> Registrar for Sacramento
> County, said that voters sometimes call and say they
> want to change their
> vote. They voted early but by Election Day they
> changed their mind. Excuse
> me, but this is voter disenfranchisement. Voters
> being sold early voting
> are also at risk of casting a ballot that they will
> regret. This is one of
> many instances where election officials push
> something that makes life
> easier for them but increases corruption of the vote
> count.
>
> A secure voting system is not something we have or
> not in black and white
> terms. We'll get the best system possible through a
> variety of improvements
> involving laws, technology, procedures, audit
> protocols, institutionalized
> public scrutiny, and, transparency, in general.
> Vote by mail and early
> voting are attractive for several reasons but should
> be minimized in order
> to achive the most secure and least corrupt vote
> count possible.
>
> BTW, Election Day poll site voting is best but,
> thanks to modern technology,
> does not make it impossible to prove a vote to a
> potential vote buyer. It
> would be quite easy, with a digital camera, for a
> voter to make a video
> recording of the voting experience including showing
> how the ballot was
> marked. This could be tough to spot given that some
> of these cheap cameras
> resemble a pen.
>
> Alan D.
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The problem with a "vote by mail" (or "vote by
> internet") system is that
> > each person's vote is trivial to sell or give to
> another person (willingly
> > or not).
> >
> > By bringing people to the polls, you have a truly
> secret ballot that is
> > owned only by the voter. The voter is protected
> from anyone who might try
> > to
> > coerce him/her. Selling a vote in this case
> becomes impossible because
> > there
> > is no proof of which way the voter voted to the
> potential purchaser.
> >
> > - Chris
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
>
ovc-discuss-bounces+chris_ovc=sunnycampus.com@listman.sonic.net
> >
>
[mailto:ovc-discuss-bounces+chris_ovc=sunnycampus.com@listman.sonic.net]
>
> > On
> > Behalf Of Edmund R. Kennedy
> > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 12:40 PM
> > To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Why I am a Poll Worker
> >
> > Hello:
> >
> > I'm being a poll worker for the 3rd time June, 6.
> The
> > last time I was a 'machine inspector' but this
> time I
> > categroically refused to have anything to do with
> the
> > Diebold Touch Screens. The printers are still
> bolted
> > on junk that jam repeatedly. Besides, I don't
> want to
> > be sued for disenfranchising someone. Frankly, I
> > think the best approach is 'vote by mail'. All
> this
> > stuff about the 'civic virtue' of seeing you
> neighbors
> > vote is a bunch of eye wash.
> >
> > Thanks, Ed Kennedy.
> >
> > --- dr-jekyll@att.net wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Arthur,
> >>
> >> I made a similar decision to become a poll worker
> in
> >> 1986. I started out as a ballot counter,
> counting
> >> paper ballots after the polls closed.
> Eventually, I
> >> became an Election Judge. The experience was
> well
> >> worth it.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >> This email sent using 100%
> >> recycled electrons.
> >>
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message from Arthur
> Keller
> >> <voting@kellers.org>: --------------
> >>
> >>
> >> > I wrote this blurb for Mainstreet Moms. I
> thought
> >> some of you would
> >> > be interested in it.
> >> >
> >> > Like many of you, I've been increasingly
> >> interested in doing what I
> >> > can to ensure the integrity of our elections,
> by
> >> promoting paper
> >> > trails or paper ballots and public disclosure
> of
> >> election systems and
> >> > processes. However, I realized that I didn't
> >> really understand how
> >> > elections worked unless I actually worked in
> them.
> >> So I called up my
> >> > local Registrar of Voters to volunteer on
> Election
> >> Day. After a 3.5
> >> > hour training class, I was ready to work in the
> >> polls. It was a
> >> > fascinating experience, and I learned a lot
> about
> >> the real issues of
> >> > how elections are run and what the problems
> are.
> >> In particular, I
> >> > learned firsthand how electronic voting
> machines
> >> worked and are used,
> >> > and I can now talk about my concerns about
> trade
> >> secret voting
> >> > machines in a more informed manner than before.
> >> The next election, I
> >> > was selected to be a precinct inspector, so I
> was
> >> actually in charge
> >> > of a polling place, and I was the one who made
> >> sure that all voters
> >> > had an easy time voting, and I hand delivered
> the
> >> election results to
> >> > the collection point while another poll worker
> >> trailed me to ensure
> >> > they arrived safely and intact. I certainly
> don't
> >> work the 6am to
> >> > 9pm-plus day for the pay, particularly since I
> >> donate my pay to the
> >> > Open Voting Consortium. Rather, I will serve
> again
> >> because the
> >> > security and integrity of our elections depends
> on
> >> the people who
> >> > care participating in its detailed processes,
> and
> >> that means
> >> > volunteering to staff my local poll on Election
> >> Day. I recently went
> >> > to poll worker training and some of the
> longtime
> >> poll workers there
> >> > were criticizing the new California requirement
> >> for paper trails
> >> > because of the "unnecessary" extra work for
> poll
> >> workers. Unless
> >> > those of us volunteer who favor strong security
> >> measures, the
> >> > counties are stuck with poll workers who favor
> >> expedience over
> >> > security. I hope you'll join me as a volunteer
> >> poll worker in your
> >> > area to help keep our democracy vibrant.
> >> >
> >> > Arthur Keller
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
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> > ---
> >>
> >> > Arthur M. Keller, Ph.D., 3881 Corina Way, Palo
> >> Alto, CA 94303-4507
> >> > tel +1(650)424-0202, fax +1(650)424-0424
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