RE: "Unbelievers are allowed to depart"

From: <clintcurtis_at_clintcurtis_dot_com>
Date: Mon May 23 2005 - 10:04:43 CDT


But as we discussed in Nashville when you invited me aboard, this is the
one item that makes a system work. That was why I told you that your
system was missing the second copy. There is not a single element of
protection that can not be circumvented unless the ballot becomes
public record. The ballot should not have an id or any identifying
marks as to the identity of the voter and pattern voting to facilitate
fraud would have little effect in real numbers.

I worked with these people. They play to win, can throw around millions
with a single phone call, and will take great lengths to exploit any
weakness that exists. At present every right that we have is under
attack by this group. In the end, the secrecy of the ballot may be the
only right we are allowed, as it is the only right that benefits them.

You invited me in and are perfectly in your rights to invite me out. I
think we will probably have to work on the same problem in differing
fashions. Good luck though, your group has a lot of good ideas and
intentions. You seem to have quite a few intelligent people working on
your project. Hopefully, at least one of us will succeed.


> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] "Unbelievers are allowed to depart"
> From: Kathy Dopp <>
> Date: Mon, May 23, 2005 10:46 am
> To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list
> <>
> wrote:
> >Kind of testy. Have you considered that possibly others may have
> >opinions that you will not be able to unilaterally dictate. If you are
> >the final word on this matter then I will depart. If you are not then
> >expect my resistance to anything which gives vote fraud comfort.
> >
> >Clint
> >
> >
> Clint,
> While I think you're great, and you've offered a lot of good ideas as
> well on this list, Ed is right on this one. The secret ballot is more
> than a time honored tradition and American law, it protects our
> democracy IMO, and it's a waste of time to make proposals that undo our
> secret ballot, especially when it would immediately open up voters to
> bribery and coercion. Lay off it please. There is plenty else to
> discuss here that makes more sense than trying to undo one of the
> protections of democracy in the form of secret ballots. What scares me
> most is that you might succeed in undoing this protection, not the
> practicality that we currently have it.
> That said, keep up the good work Clint.
> Kathy
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