Re: Should candidates challenge elections?

From: Ron Crane <voting_at_lastland_dot_net>
Date: Tue May 17 2005 - 21:12:42 CDT

Making whole ballots public creates a significant potential for
coercion. Imagine a small town (or small precinct) in which the ballot
lists two races: state rep and sheriff. In this jurisdiction there are
a few homes with "Green Party" signs on their lawns. Their owners voted
for the Green candidate for state rep and against the current sheriff.
No one else in the jurisdiction voted Green. Now imagine the sheriff's
a bit vindictive.

Ick.

Slicing the ballots into strips, each showing an individual race, would
fix this problem.

-R

On May 17, 2005, at 5:54 PM, clintcurtis@clintcurtis.com wrote:

> Beyond just the random issue, we should insist that the votes be
> publicly available to anyone who wished to see them. That would take
> the stigma out of the recount process and make sure that the votes were
> properly tabulated. Property tax records as well as most public
> documents are publicly available to anyone who shows an interest in
> their information. Voting records should definitely be considered
> public documents. Providing a second receipt which could be stored as
> public record should allow such access.
>
> Clint Curtis
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [OVC-discuss] Should candidates challenge elections?
>> From: Stephanie Frank Singer <sfsinger@campaignscientific.com>
>> Date: Tue, May 17, 2005 7:01 pm
>> To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list
>> <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
>>
>> I'll put my two cents in for random. And we should make it clear what
>> "random" really means. Otherwise people often mistake "random" for
>> "mostly evenly distributed" which is not a synonym at all!
>>
>> It's a mistake to rely on candidates. Consider Joe Hoeffel, who ran
>> against Specter in PA for Senate in 2004. He would have a lot to gain
>> if fraud were proved, as he would either be a Senator now, or folks
>> would have to recognize that he came from nowhere to be neck-and-neck
>> with a well-established incumbent, in which case he would be
>> considered
>> a candidate to reckon with (which he isn't). But it's not worth
>> risking the "troublemaker," "sore loser" labels that he faces for
>> complaining. It's not realistic to depend on candidates (or anyone
>> else) to work against their own perceptions of their own
>> self-interest.
>>
>> Here's another tack: not only do I, as a PA resident, have an
>> interest
>> in the integrity of PA elections, I have an interest in the integrity
>> of each other state's elections, because of Amendment 14, Section 2 of
>> the Constitution. If enough voters were disenfranchised in, say,
>> Texas, then the Consitution guarantees that the Texas delegations to
>> the Electoral College and the US House of Reps should both shrink,
>> which gives my electors and reps more clout!
>>
>>
>> On May 17, 2005, at 6:40 PM, Ron Crane wrote:
>>>
>>> Whatever the process, it has to be transparent, established before
>>> the
>>> elections in which it is applied, and either (a) completely unbiased
>>> (random) or (b) open to *all* partisan inputs, including those of any
>>> member of the public. We cannot rely on the candidates to do the job.
>>> Just off the cuff, I prefer publicly-witnessed random choice, since
>>> it's easy for the public to understand and to verify, and it's not so
>>> open to the exercise of discretion, and it's not so open to
>>> manipulation via uneven (or unevenly-applied) bureaucratic obstacles,
>>> such as application fees, etc.
>>>
>>> -R
>>>
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