Re: Brand new concept in audit trails

From: Ron Crane <voting_at_lastland_dot_net>
Date: Wed May 04 2005 - 16:32:42 CDT

On May 4, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Jim March wrote:

> Ron Crane wrote:
>> That's a big problem. It's one thing to reduce voting privacy for
>> everyone, and something else to reduce privacy such that it effects
>> certain parties or candidates more than others. I think this kills
>> the carbon-copy scheme, though it still allows for the publication of
>> precinct totals. The latter is very important, since it permits
>> public verification of the global tally.
>> -R
> No, Ron, it does NOT "kill the carbon copy scheme" or it's variants
> because the only thing the duplicate paper is doing is ensuring the
> accuracy and hackproofing of a data type ALREADY declared public
> record in all 50 states.
> Let's be clear: in any state, any county, you can ask for and GET the
> votes cast in any precinct you care to name. That's current law,
> current procedure.

Can I get the *ballots* cast in each precinct? Or only the precinct
totals? If the former, then it would seem that my objection already has
been overridden.

> ...Now, if you want to argue for the rights of minor-party-voters and
> get these records sealed nationally, go for it. That's a separate
> issue. I for one will fight you tooth and nail on that because there
> would be NO LIMIT WHATSOEVER to vote-hacking by county elections
> officials.

Let's think about that. With our system, they could cast a bunch of
extra votes after the polls close, but not so many as to exceed the
number of voters in the precinct. Carbons wouldn't catch that. They
could manipulate the totals after tabulation, and the carbons would
catch that but you say that ballots are already public record. What
do the carbons add? What I am misunderstanding?

> Ron, you need to know more about how elections and election oversight
> works.

Thanks. I'm trying to learn.


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