Re: JamBoi's disruption of the OVC list

From: Scott Brown <r_dot_scott_dot_brown_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Mon May 02 2005 - 14:31:29 CDT

I wholeheartedly agree with David here.

It must be considered that statements made by JamBoi (by the way -- the
pseudonym struck me as very odd, too, David) will be captured in perpetuity
on the archive of this list and the overwhelming childishness of today's
discussions has the potential for serious backlash. Could a future OVC
detractor quote JamBoi's statements in an effort to undermine the group's

If so, then -- in defense of free speech -- I support David's suggestion of
probation. If he can't clean up his act, then JamBoi's vitriol could squelch
the efficacy of everyone else's speech on this list.

-- Scott

David Mertz wrote:
> Unfortunately, "JamBoi" has put us in a situation we have not so far
> been on in the OVC list. I find his long, rambling conspiratorial
> misunderstandings of XML (and other topics) quite disruptive of the
> useful conversation on the list.
> Moreover, his frequent use of hax0r 1337 speak, RANDOM CAPS, and other
> 13 y.o. AIM stylisms generally bring down the quality and reputation of
> the list. It would be a huge embarrassment, IMO, for any serious person
> (politician, computer scientist, informed citizen, certifying agency,
> etc) to look at our archive and see JamBoi's posts. I'm also not all
> that fond of his exclusive use of a psuedonym; but I don't feel quite as
> strongly about that as some folks do.
> I would propose giving JamBoi a brief probation period to improve the
> quality and conciseness of his postings, and if those requirements are
> not met, exclude his membership in the mailing list. I am also
> seriously considering modifying the archive software to remove all the
> posts from JamBoi, or at least to mark them as "non-serious" in some
> manner. It's really anathma to me to think I can no longer point
> someone at the archive as a serious recommendation for OVC.
> Aside to Scott Brown and others: No, OVC is *not* considering dropping
> XML as a basic layer of data formats. FWIW, there already *is* an OVCML
> of sorts--take a look at for some articles that
> discuss the design of OVC's demo XML format. However, in practice, that
> format is/was a temporary working DTD; going forward we'll hopefully be
> able to use formats adopted by standards bodies such as IEEE-1622.

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