CASE-Ohio event

From: Alan Dechert <dechert_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Mon May 02 2005 - 00:45:44 CDT

Below is from Lara Shaffer ... having a little email trouble with list.

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Hi everyone,
  If you are not already aware, next weekend (May 7th) I will be debating
Lynn Landes at a CASE-Ohio event (with Bob Fitrakis- Freepress.org editor-
as moderator). Stephanie Tubbs-Jones will also be there as will a lots of
activists.
   Lynn will be pushing her hand-count/paper only scheme and I will be
pushing the OVC solution. We get 7-10 mintues for opening statements,
followed by about 30-40 minutes Q&A with the audience, followed by a 3-5min.
closing summary speech.
   Then activists get to decide if they want to workshop with me and help
progress the OVC solution or work with Lynn Landes on hand-count/paper only.
   Below is what I have come up with so far. Before you read it, keep in
mind what I am looking for:

1. Other points I may have forgotten
2. Good, funny (if possible), quotes like Ed's (see bottom of email)
3. More info about other country's systems
     a. What do countries that have paper only, hand count only systems do
for electing county water supervisor, etc? If the general election ballot
only has one or two contests on it, when do they vote for all the other
stuff we vote for?
4. Other good examples of fraud with hand-count, paper only systems (I have
heard of ballots turning up in the San Francisco Bay and Lake Michigan-
getting sources for that would help).

    Here's what I have come up with so far:
  1.. Too much man power needed
    1.. Need one person from each party
    2.. Need LOTS of people
    3.. Already short on poll workers
    4.. 20-30 contests on the ballot, 12 propositions- takes LOTS of time
and man-power to count them all (this is different than the Canadian system
where they only vote for one office and hand-count it)
  2.. Not politically viable
    1.. No supporters in house or senate
    2.. No Secretary of State supporters
    3.. No County Registrar supporters
    4.. No state senate or house supporters
  3.. Multiple languages
  4.. Disabled Access
  5.. IRV
  6.. More time it takes to count = more time for corruption to happen
  7.. Human error (try counting a dunce cap full of boiled peas twice)
  8.. Fraud
    1.. Tamaney Hall
    2.. Landslide Lyndon Johnson
    3.. Chicago
Main point: We need computers to create an audit trail. We need to be able
to check hand-counts against machine-counts, to check the paper record
against the machine record!

We are not asking you to trust computers, we are asking you to realize there
's a need for a computer check to provide ADDED security!

"We saw what happened with hand counting in Florida and it wasn't
pretty." -Ed Cherlin

Please help me with what I'm looking for. Thanks!
lara@openvoting.org

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