RE: Why PIN or smartcard is REQUIRED

From: Arthur Keller <arthur_at_kellers_dot_org>
Date: Mon May 17 2004 - 13:57:03 CDT

I wrote:
My wife also points out that most poll workers are retired and do not
have very good eyesight, and many of them cannot handle the kind of
exercise required to attend to a voting machine at the start of every
ballot case. Things get real busy right before and right after work.
Especially after work, when the poll workers have been at it all day.

At 11:32 AM -0700 5/17/04, Popkin, Laird (WMG Corp) responded:
>What do you mean by 'ballot case'? If you mean when a batch of paper 
>is loaded, if there are typically 70 ballots cast per machine, and 
>the paper tray can hold more than 70 ballots, we're not talking 
>about a lot of paper reloading, unless we're talking about really 
>cheap printers with tiny paper trays, I suppose. :-)
Sorry, my editing mistake.  I meant, ballot CAST.
>Don't the poll workers need to reset each machine for each voter?
No, why do they?
>If there's an issue with loading the paper, could there be an issue 
>with requiring them to punch in codes, etc.?
Yes, there could.  I prefer to let machines do as much as the 
validating as possible, and let poll workers be clerks (more or less) 
having to make as few decisions as necessary.
Best regards,
>Best regards,
>  >- LP
>>-----Original Message-----
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>>Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:29 AM
>>Subject: Re: [voting-project] Why PIN or smartcard is REQUIRED
>>   >Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 12:19:56 -0700
>>>From: "Alan Dechert" <>
>>>Subject: Re: [voting-project] Why PIN or smartcard is REQUIRED
>>>>   I'd like to figure out a way to make Ellen's system work.  It
>>>>   is  cheaper than smart cards and has other benefits too.  ...
>>>Fine, Arthur.  I also think it's worth looking at.  However, large trials
>>>are needed to see how good/bad it is to have voters insert the paper.  I
>>>predict big problems.
>>I don't know that I agree.  Many jurisdictions today have
>>precinct-based scanner systems, where the voter has to insert their
>>ballot into the scanner.  I haven't heard of problems with those.
>>Of course, the feed on those scanners is custom-designed by the
>>vendors.  You're planning to use COTS printers, so Ellen's proposal has
>>to work with COTS sheet-feeders.  At work we have Lexmark Optra S 1855
>>printers.  They have a sheet-feed capability that seems fairly simple
>>to use.  Of course, those printers are probably a lot more expensive
>>than your design point.  I don't know what kind of sheet feeders are
>>available in inexpesive printers.
>>   >A person with gout will have a tough time.  Others with any of a number of
>>>disabilities will have trouble with it.
>>There are no privacy issues with assisting someone in inserting a blank
>>ballot into a printer, so I don't see this as an important factor.
>>Once the paper is there, they can still vote privately.  Of more
>>concern is if someone will need help getting the paper into the privacy
>>On the other hand, no one expects a voting system to be accessible no
>>matter what the disability or set of disabilities.  Some people are
>>going to require assistance no matter what.  (For example, HAVA doesn't
>>require voting machines to be accessible to someone who is both vision-
>>AND hearing-impaired.  Helen Keller would still require assistence to
>>   >Even perfectly capable people will
>>>fail to insert the paper far enough--when they go to print, the printer
>>>won't grab the paper.
>>Presumably the printer will detect this as a "no paper" condition
>>and not attempt any printing.
>  >
>>   >Some people will get it in a little crooked and their
>>>ballot will be mangled.
>>Then they declare it to be "spoiled" and try again.
>>   >Pollworkers will spend a lot of time assisting people with this and the
>>>people being assisted will feel dumb and will be turned off by the system.
>>That's speculation.
>>   >I'm not saying it's unworkable, but large scale human factors 
>>testing would
>>>be needed before using this live.
>>As will the entire EVM.  But first, start with small-scale human
>>factors testing.  Check out the single sheet-feed capability of various
>>COTS printers.
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