Re: Initializing the voter cycle and disabilities

From: Ed Kennedy <ekennedyx_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Date: Sat May 15 2004 - 13:47:13 CDT

Re: [voting-project] Initializing the voter cycle and disaHello Arthur:

      My solution for primaries, although incomplete, is to have the voter not declare to the poll workers but instead make a choice on the first screen that comes up after initialization of the voting system. They would just click their desired party and then that ballot would come up on the screen. This doesn't have to be complicated. Also, many states have open primaries so that may not always be a relevant issue. The actual answer may vary from state to state.

    As for the time limited pin numbers, that would require a network which is not permitted or a unique set of pin numbers to each machine. In that case, time limiting may not be necessary as that number would be a one time only use in each machine.
This certainly is an interesting problem.

Thanks, Ed Kennedy
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  From: Arthur Keller
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  Subject: Re: [voting-project] Initializing the voter cycle and disabilities

  So tell us how you would handle the problem of multiple ballot types (for primaries and multiple precincts). Only a registered republican (or in some jurisdictions, an independent) can vote in the republican primary. How do you handle that?

  Best regards,
  Arthur

  At 1:02 PM -0700 5/14/04, Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
    Hello All:

         Finally, I changed the subject to better match what we're actually talking about. Let's say we go with one time use cards. I know that in parking garages I occasionally use, the gate machine spits out a card with a magnetic strip included in the back from a roll of cards. When I head out of the garage, either I or the cashier puts the card into a reader. I pay an astonishing amount and then move on. The card gets thrown away and never used again. Something like that seems fairly attractive. I had been thinking that these cards could be pre written and come in a box of individual cards and not on a roll. As these cards are writable, they could be invalidated after use by the card reader in the EVM. This would obviate the need for a card writer in the polling place. This would also be another check against the number of ballots. As I've mentioned below, I'd sug! gest that 250 cards/machine would be plenty.

         Pin numbers could be printed on individual cards which would make the handing of them out a little easier. This way you would not have to deal with checking them off the list and with the other security issues. Once the card is gone, the number associated with it is obviously no longer available and the number is also invalidated by the machine once the print button is pushed on the screen. You would have to have a box of pin number cards for each machine. However, I understand that the typical voting station gets about 100 users a day. Probably 250 would be enough.

          Do the election laws require that during primaries, each voter declare a party affiliation or could they make that choice right on the EVM? This would simplify the pin number process (and for that matter, the smart cards). These do bring up disabled access issues especially for RII and for folks with something like muscular dystrophy that have problems with reliably controlling their fingers. Of course the coordination problem would be an issue all the way through the voting cycle. As this just occurred to me, have solutions been proposed?

    Thanks, Ed Kennedy

    "Edmund R. Kennedy" <ekennedyx@yahoo.com> wrote:

      Unless they were time limited, say 5 minutes from issuance.

      Arthur Keller <arthur@kellers.org> wrote:

        One-time use PINs would need to work on only one voting machine, or
        you could vote once on each voting machine.

        Yes, you need another machine for the poll worker to activate the
        smart card. It's especially important that this process work well,
        particularly for primaries or when there are multiple precincts at
        the same polling place.

        Best regards,
        Arthur

        At 11:41 AM -0700 5/14/04, Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
>Hello Arthur:
>
> Then that means another machine at the poll judges table to
>activate these cards. That gets a little more complicated. Was
>something like a one time use PIN number discussed? Voters would
>generally be used to those. I can see plenty of trouble with those
>as well.
>
>Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
>Arthur Keller wrote:
>
>A! t 10:58 AM -0700 5/14/04, Edmund R. Kennedy wrote:
>>Hello Arthur:
>>
>> I guess I don't understand the voting cycle. I know that the
>>now decertified Diebold Acuvote Tsx has a smart card card reader
>>that allows the voter to do just 1 voting cycle (in theory). Once
>>the voter pushes the button on the screen that they are done, it
>>apparently deactivates the card and expels it out of the machine
>>and into the hands of the voter. The voter then gives card
>>back to a poll worker who gives them an "I voted" sticker.
>>
>>What's to keep an EVM voter from voting again and again, then
>>stuffing them all into the privacy folder and dropping them into the
>>ballot box? Are we using a smart card? I don't see ! anything about
>>a card reader.
>
>Earlier, I suggested using a smart card in the same way you mention.
>I've acquired some smart card equipment, and Karl is experimenting
>with it in his copious ;-) spare time.
>
>Best regards,
>Arthur
>
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