Re: More on voting stations

From: Edward Cherlin <edward_dot_cherlin_at_etssg_dot_com>
Date: Thu May 13 2004 - 18:41:29 CDT

On Wednesday 12 May 2004 06:59, Liam Helmer wrote:
> It's a good idea to look at PPC, if we get to the place of
> producing dedicated voting machines. I've worked with the
> architecture, and it's very sound. Once we have economies of
> scale, PowerPC is the way to go -> more power efficient,
> cheaper, simpler.

Similarly for the ARM architecture in the form of Intel StrongARM
and XScale processors, and other products from other vendors.
LynuxWorks, for example, sells BlueCat Linuxs configured for a
variety of ARM, PPC, x86 , and other boards sold into the
embedded systems market. (Disclosure: I worked at LynuxWorks on
contract last year.)

http://www.lynuxworks.com/board-support/all-linux.php
Board Support for BlueCat Embedded Linux

ARM® architecture embedded system board support
         
XScale® 80200 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
ADI Engineering BRH Boards
ADI Engineering GbE HBA
Intel DBPXA250
Intel IQ80310
Intel IQ80321
StrongARM® SA-1110 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
Intel IXDP1200
Intel SA-1110
ARM920T 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
ARM Integrator CM920T-ETM
LSI Logic ARM926EJ-S CoreWare Subsystem
ARM720T 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
Cirrus Logic CS89712
Cirrus Logic EP7212
Cirrus Logic EP7312

          
PowerPC® architecture embedded system board support
         
PowerPC 750 (Motorola and IBM) 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
Force PowerPMC-260
Motorola MCP750
Motorola MCPN750
Motorola PrPMC750
Motorola Sandpoint II (PPCEVAL-SP2-750)
Motorola Sandpoint III
Thales PowerEngine7
Thales VMPC6a
Motorola MPC8260 PowerQUICC II 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
Motorola MPC8260ADS
Motorola PQ2FADS_ZU
Motorola MPC7400, MPC7410,
MPC7457 (with Altivec) 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
Thales VMPC6c
Thales VMPC6d
IBM 970 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
Apple PowerPC G5
IBM 440 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
IBM 440GP
IBM 405 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
IBM 405GP
IBM 405GPr
Thales VCE405

x86 architecture embedded system board support
         
Pentium Pro 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
PC-AT/x86-compatibles
Pentium IV 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
PC-AT/x86-compatibles
Pentium III 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
Force CPCI-730
Force CPCI-735
Force CPCI-736
Intel 815E Scalable Performance Board
Motorola CPN5360
PC-AT/x86-compatibles
Pentium II 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
Force CPCI-730
Motorola CPV5350
PC-AT/x86-compatibles
Pentium 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
Ampro CM3-P5e
PC-AT/x86-compatibles
Intel 386/486 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
PC-AT/x86-compatibles
Cyrix 6x86 and MII 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
PC-AT/x86-compatibles
AMD / Athlon / K6 / K7 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
PC-AT/x86-compatibles

                                                 
MIPS architecture embedded system board support
         
TX39/H 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
Toshiba Pallas 3912
MIPS32 RISC™ 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
MIPS Malta

SH3 architecture embedded system board support
         
SH7709 5.0 4.1 4.0 3.1 3.0 2.0
Hitachi EBX7709

> On the other hand, if we're not using dedicated machines, the
> i386 is the way to go. It's also the way to go for rapidly
> getting this off the ground. And, the machines are more
> expensive if we're just making the odd couple of machines.

Screenless and diskless embedded boards are always cheaper than
desktop systems, handhelds, tablets, or whatever.

> And, hey, if they've got a machine available, I can work on a
> PPC port of strongbox...
>
> Cheers,
> Liam
>
> On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 04:19, David Mertz wrote:
> > On May 11, 2004, at 10:01 PM, Ed Kennedy wrote:
> > > PC with monitor for under $500. Software is a question as
> > > it hasn't been written yet except as a demonstration
> > > version so let's pluck a number out of the air. I'll say
> > > $300/license for lack of anything better.
> >
> > I can be quite definitive on the marginal software cost: $0.
> >
> > OVC is committed to using Free Software. So the whole
> > software chain: Linux/X11/Python/Qt/whatever will be
> > reproducible on EVMix CDs at no unit licensing cost. And we
> > don't need, nor want, anything outside our approved tool
> > chain.
> >
> > Obviously, the initial development costs will be
> > substantial. If us developers had been paid for making even
> > the demo, that would amount to a chunk of change; and many
> > times more so for the production tools. But there's no unit
> > cost once the software exists.
> >
> > Btw. The folks at Pegasosppc.com contacted me because I
> > wrote an article about Linux/PPC. That company makes
> > PowerPC computers, and is hoping to expand their production
> > and sales (like most companies). They were mostly trying to
> > schmooze me as a "mover and shaker" of the software
> > community (e.g. tried to give me a free machine, that I told
> > them to wait on, for lack of desk space at my home office).
> > But I raised the idea of OVC voting machines in a custom
> > form-factor.
> >
> > PPC chips have an advantage over those from Chipzilla in
> > using a fraction of the power that Intel P4-ish chips do
> > (and AMD Athlons use still more power than Pentiums). It
> > seems like the power issue is perhaps of some significance
> > for voting stations, since power=heat (Pegasos says they can
> > make a system without a CPU fan, for example). And getting
> > something with unusual physical dimensions (e.g. CPU built
> > into back of same cabinet as 17" LCD) has some advantages
> > for OVC. FWIW, G3-based systems are slightly "trailing edge"
> > performance-wise, but more than adequate for us; the cost
> > might reflect that adequately.
> >
> > I have a hunch that Pegasos would go farther out of their
> > way to work with us than Dell would, simply because they are
> > relatively small, and trying to get a foothold. A niche
> > area like ours might be good for them. Then again, they are
> > also less established than the big PC makers (but more than
> > a flash-in-the-pan).
> >
> > How do other OVC members feel about this possibility? I'm
> > not trying to sell it--I don't really care--but I thought
> > I'd check whether this generates interest. I can pursue
> > contacts if it seems like a possibility.

-- 
Edward Cherlin, Simputer Evangelist
Encore Technologies (S) Pte. Ltd.
Ending aid and charity for the poor
http://www.ryze.com/go/Cherlin
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