Re: Voting Stations

From: Edmund R. Kennedy <ekennedyx_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Date: Thu May 06 2004 - 16:53:16 CDT

Hello Alan:

     I finally say your note about following the
thread. Oops. OK. Sounds like a horizontal touch
screen monitor is the way to go. However, I can't see
carboard reliably holding up a big 'ol 17" CRT. Are
we going to need to specify flat panel monitors?
Otherwise, you'd need something at least like a
plastic milk crate underneath a CRT. I'm glad the
paper capacity issue has been worked through already.
If we go with banquet tables and carboard surrounds, I
would recommend a higher amount of redundant machines
and printers.

Would lighting be an issue with a monitor projecting
the image up to your eyes? I'm still having trouble
wrapping my mind around a free standing printer.

How about after the election has been certified and
any challenges resolved, the equipment would be
auctioned off as part of the SOS's normal duties. I
suppose it could be a two tiered auction with a first
round for governmental agencies and schools and a
second round for everyone else. That way there would
be little or no storage involved.

Thanks, Ed Kennedy

--- Alan Dechert <>
> Ed,
> > However, it looks like your design presupposes LCD
> or
> > similar monitors. I know most people now expect
> to
> > see a monitor in front of them but I suppose it
> could
> > be studied as an alternative. .......
> >
> Horizontal orientation is good for voter privacy.
> What I have drawn is not
> too unlike the screen orientation of some commercial
> systems.
> I don't really presuppose LCD. The sketch I made
> could also work CRT where
> the table has a hole for the monitor to be mounted.
> However, over time, I
> think it's clear that screens will be flat panel
> LCDs. Most new systems
> come with them.
> > Also, the kiosks in my
> > branch library are pretty hefty items so that
> might
> > not be the best model if you're looking for light
> > weight. Now that I've through about it for a
> little
> > while, I'm dropping the requirement for a curtain
> > except for booths made for the wheel chair bound.
> I
> > hate to make a 'special' booth for the disabled on
> > general principles of mainlining but that's my
> > problem. It still might be good to have 6-12"
> 'wings'
> > sticking out on each side of a booth for privacy.
> >
> Right. These could be cardboard... whatever works.
> > However, I do have heartburn with your printer
> > placement. At the very least, it needs some sort
> of
> > cage around it to keep people from trying to
> vandalize
> > it.
> >
> I don't know if that's worth it. The HP 1300 can be
> had for $300 (very
> rugged high-quality laser). Other pretty good laser
> printers can be had for
> $150 - 200. A good cage might cost quite a bit and
> be a big hassle. I
> don't know how big a problem polling place vandalism
> might be. I don't see
> this as a big issue and one axiom would be to have
> at least one replacement
> printer available incase of some problem.
> > Also, on a related note, I was just looking at
> > ink jet printers when I realized that one of the
> > challenges was that they only hold about 200 or so
> > sheets of paper at a time. At full capacity at
> the
> > polling place, how many people an hour would use
> an
> > EVM? In other words, if a vendor decided to use
> ink
> > jet printers how many times a day might each
> printer
> > have to be refilled with paper? Similarly, a
> laser
> > printer usually holds 500 sheets.
> >
> Again, I'm glad you're thinking these things through
> but this topic has been
> gone over quite a bit. The average number of
> ballots per polling place is
> about 500 for a general election (think 100 million
> divided by 200,000
> polling places). Seven machines would mean an
> average of about 70 ballots
> printed. Add something for tests, spoiled ballots,
> etc. ... say 100. Even
> doubling that for a good safety margin and figure
> 200. The HP 1300 can hold
> 250 sheets. So if it's filled at the beginning of
> Election Day, there
> should be no need to refill. Even if you have to
> refill in some rare cases,
> this can be taken care of by having a ream of paper
> on hand. This is not
> really a big issue.
> It does become a little bit of an issue if heaver
> stock is required. I
> don't see ever needing to go to card stock, but
> something inbetween card
> stock and plain paper might be considered. Still
> should not be a big issue.
> > I found the Australian site pretty interesting.
> > However I noticed that that they were using a LAN,
> a
> > server and perhaps only one printer. I didn't
> think
> > we were doing that. I get the impression that
> there
> > was an actual internal structure that was holding
> the
> > cardboard up. The problem of dealing with weight
> and
> > security seals doesn't come up or at least isn't
> > discussed in the site you've mentioned. I know
> that
> > the actual booth could be handled with cardboard
> > cylinders and such but I think a 'normal' pc cpu
> would
> > need to sit on the floor.
> >
> The monitor is held up by a cardboard structure.
> Probably the CPU is on the
> floor.
> This is not necessarily the way the Aussies do it
> now. The picture is from
> a small pilot. I know the software has been
> reworked a couple of times
> since then. Also given the talk about paperless
> voting issues, they are now
> talking like maybe they should have a printer. I
> don't know how widespread
> the eVACS system is being used--not very widely I
> think.
> > What do you think?
> >
> Need to be real cheap and real simple.
> Alan D.

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