Re: Draft Standards for VVPAT in California

From: charlie strauss <cems_at_earthlink_dot_net>
Date: Sun Mar 21 2004 - 14:56:38 CST

The draft standard requires "A device that will allow a voter to view his/her paper ballot image while preventing the voter from directly handling the paper ballot copy. "

I've never understood this fixation on the voter not touching the ballot. There must be some rational but I've yet to hear one. I have read about people worried someone might leave the polling station with their ballot in hand. But we'll so what, they can if they are that goofy do that under the present system. What's the deal?

Answering my own question I'm going to guess that the problem is that they want the electronic totals to have primacy and the paper ballots only for re-counts or spot checks. It would thus get ugly when the two did not agree since it would make it look like electronic ballot box stuffing. This situation is less problematic when the paper has primacy. (OVC) But really in both cases there is some reconcilation to be done. So I still dont understand what the fixation is.

is there more to it?

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Keller <arthur_at_kellers_dot_org>
Sent: Mar 21, 2004 10:06 AM
Subject: [voting-project] Draft Standards for VVPAT in California

Hi all,

California Sec of State Kevin Shelley has produced Draft Standards for
the design and operation of DREs. He has mandated requiring a AVVPAT, that
is an Accessible Voter Verified Paper Audit Trail. The press release follows.
The full report (in .pdf format) is at:

I welcome any comments on this draft standard.

Dennis Paull


Thursday, March 18, 2004
                                Carol Dahmen


Secretary of State Shelley Releases Draft Standards on
Paper Audit Trail for E-Voting Machines
Welcomes Public Comments on the Draft Proposal Through April 19, 2004

SACRAMENTO --- California Secretary of State
Kevin Shelley announced today that he is seeking
public comment on draft standards for a verified
paper trail feature he has required for
electronic voting machines.

In November 2003, Secretary of State Shelley
announced that beginning July 1, 2005, no county
or city may purchase a touch screen voting system
that does not include an accessible voter
verified paper audit trail (AVVPAT). As of July
2006, all touch screen voting systems used in
California, regardless of when they were
purchased, must have an AVVPAT that can be used
by all voters, including the visually impaired,
to verify that their voting preferences are
accurately recorded.

�These standards will be used by voting system
manufacturers to develop the next generation of
California�s electronic voting machines,� Shelley
said. �In order to be certain that the systems
developed ensure the integrity of the voting
process, I encourage the public to submit their
comments, on-line or in writing, for
consideration in helping us to adopt final

The Secretary of State�s staff developed the
draft standards with input from a working group
of county elections officials, voting machine
manufacturers, advocacy groups, and others.

The six-page Draft Standards will be available
for public comment for 30 days (through April 19
at the Secretary of State�s website at
Comments will be reviewed and considered by the
Secretary in consultation with the working group
of county elections officials.

During this 30-day period the public is
encouraged to send written comments by any of the
following methods:

Write to: Secretary of State Kevin Shelley

Attn: AVVPAT Draft Standards
  1500 11th Street, 5th Floor
  Sacramento, CA 95814


Fax: (916) 653-3214

Arthur M. Keller, Ph.D., 3881 Corina Way, Palo Alto, CA  94303-4507
tel +1(650)424-0202, fax +1(650)424-0424
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