Re: [OVC-discuss] Document on Holt bill (was Re: I need your help today -- oppose Holt bill as introduced)

From: Alan Dechert <dechert_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Tue Jun 30 2009 - 10:00:24 CDT

We're not quite done formulating that. There are a number of issues with the bill, and we need a bit more information. I am in touch with Holt's office.

Even though I'm for banning DREs and requiring paper ballots, I'm not even sure that's needed in a bill right now. The research piece is what's really needed. So, I'd be in favor of taking out everything except the R&D for accessibility.

The bill has the same major flaw as the original HAVA bill: it calls for R&D but calls for spending at the same time which pre-supposing the results of the R&D -- it contains an implicit assertion that they will ignore the findings of the R&D.

Logically, HAVA should have made the research happen first. Then proceed with purchasing based on results of the research. Instead, it said, "let's do some research, but here's $3.9 billion to purchase DREs." A few years later, Holt is saying that was a mistake and we should scrap the DREs. We need to do some research, but, oh, by the way, we already know the best thing to buy. Here's a billion for the AutoMARK with AutoCAST feature.

This is lunacy.

Politics have gotten in the way of research. The federal government funded ACCURATE to the tune of $7.5 million. The very first thing ACCURATE produced (SEP 2005) was a paper making recommendations to the EAC for the Voluntary Voting System Guidelines (VVSG).
http://accurate-voting.org/accurate/docs/2005_vvsg_comment.pdf

The EAC promptly ignored all of it.

Or to put it another way, the only R&D that counts is that which the vendors endorse.

Alan
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Teresa Hommel
  To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list
  Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Document on Holt bill (was Re: I need your help today -- oppose Holt bill as introduced)

  I was looking for a formal statement on their web site with a link.

  Teresa

  Nancy Tobi wrote:
    I have posted OVC's statement on holt on DFNH, and BBV has posted too.

    http://www.democracyfornewhampshire.com/node/view/6662

    http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/show.cgi?8/80460

    On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin@gmail.com> wrote:

      On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Teresa Hommel<tahommel@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Was this project ever oompleted?

      No, it exists as a discussion draft with all of the objectionable
      language laid out for comments. I'll ping the group to see who wants
      to continue the analysis.

> I want to post a link to OVC's position
> against Holt's bill. Please send me a link, if there is one.
> Teresa Hommel

>
> Edward Cherlin wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Created. I'm going through the bill now, pulling out passages where I
> see issues.
>
>
> First pass finished. I gave Alan administrative privileges. How shall
> we divvy up further work?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Alan Dechert <dechert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, I (or we) need to work up a document to use.
>
>
> I'll create one at Google Documents with your initial posting as the
> starting point, but with the correct URL for the bill.
>
>
>
> There are many big problems with the bill. Generally, it enshrines the
> proprietary model and would result in very expensive equipment that would
> become quickly obsolete -- like DREs.
>
>
> We need the list of problems to go into the document.
>
>
>
> If passed as introduced, it would end pollsite voting altogether.
> Jurisdictions could not afford the machines and they would push more for
> all-mail voting -- the least secure and least accessible voting model ever.
>
> Alan D.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Cherlin" <echerlin@gmail.com>
> To: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list" <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] I need your help today -- oppose Holt
> billasintroduced
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Alan Dechert <dechert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Like any message sent to the list, it can be referred to by it's own url ...
> e.g.
>
> http://gnosis.python-hosting.com/voting-project/June.2009/0039.html
>
>
> Not everyone is comfortable extracting information from multiple
> e-mails. Most of the people I have in mind to send this to will want
> to see the full set of complaints about the bill on a page on the OVC
> site.
>
>
>
> However, I used a url that evaporated for the bill. Here's a url that will
> persist:
>
> http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/ad/hr2894.pdf
>
> Alan D.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Cherlin" <echerlin@gmail.com>
> To: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list" <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] I need your help today -- oppose Holt bill
> asintroduced
>
>
>
>
> Is there a URL for this that I can refer others to?
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Alan Dechert <dechert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Below is a copy of what I sent to our announcements list
>
> ********
> Dear Friends of Open Voting:
>
> I need your help today. As you may recall, US Representative Rush Holt has
> introduced several badly flawed voting reform bills in the past few years.
> We have opposed them for a variety of reasons.
>
> Last week, Holt introduced his new one: The Voter Confidence and Increased
> Accessibility Act of 2009 (HR 2894)
> http://holt.house.gov/voting.shtml
>
> In general, the bill is not as bad as the previous. Some provisions are
> good. Ban DREs, ban wireless, provide some funding for voting software that
> would be publicly available. However, overall, the bill is still bad. The
> deep flaw with this bill, generally speaking, remains the same: it would put
> the federal goverment too much into running the voting system. Holt is
> trying to do too much and making a mess of it.
>
> Parts of it are outrageously bad. The main offending part for me is where
> they say the machine for individuals with disabilities must allow the voter
> to "independently verify and cast the permanent paper ballot without
> requiring the voter to manually handle the paper ballot;" This is
> ridiculous. This the proverbial $900 hammer approach. No machine has this
> capability currently, and such a machine would be many times more expensive
> than necessary. Potential solutions would solve one almost non-existent
> problem and create several others -- besides the expense.
>
> It's the same mentality that led to adding the expensive printing mechanism
> to the DRE voting machines. Vendors didn't mind doing it as long as the
> government was paying for it. Guess what? Government paid for it. No wait,
> YOU paid for it. Now those machines are getting junked. So, tax-payers
> underwrote stupid voting architecture. Diebold et al got paid to develop it
> and sell it. Now the stupid machines go in the trash and Diebold keeps the
> money. It's another example of a very few outspoken "disabled rights
> activists" -- people in bed with industry -- creating a very expensive
> mandate.
>
> If we can't get this changed, the bill must be killed. Other parts of the
> bill should just be removed rather than fixed. We might support it if chunks
> of it were simply removed.
>
> A here is a link directly to the bill language.
>
> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111Uxz8FM:e0:
>
> SEC. 102. ACCESSIBILITY AND BALLOT VERIFICATION FOR
> INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES.
> ...
>
> (II) allows the voter to privately and
> independently verify and cast the permanent
> paper ballot without requiring the
> voter to manually handle the paper ballot;
>
> I need your help contacting Congress in opposition to this bill.
>
> I also need your financial support so OVC can continue to develop and
> demonstrate sensible open source voting technology, and defeat crappy
> legislation like this.
>
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