Re: Barbara Simons on Holt

From: Edward Cherlin <echerlin_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Mon Jun 29 2009 - 19:23:15 CDT

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Hamilton Richards<hrichrds@swbell.net> wrote:
> At 12:00 PM -0700 2009/6/28, ovc-discuss-request@listman.sonic.net wrote:
>> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:22:56 -0700
>> Barbara Simons wrote,
>>
>>>  Apparently, Alan Dechert is planning to do his own
>>>  rewrite of the Holt bill by eliminating sections he doesn't
>>>  like. He then plans to distribute his version to Congress,
>>>  and ask them to pass it. I find Dechert's political naivety
>>>  overwhelming. One can hold out for the perfect bill, and get
>>>  nothing - which is precisely what we have gotten for the past
>>>  several years. Or, one can make the necessary compromises
>>>  needed to get an improved, if not perfect, bill passed.

>>>  Using Dechert's philosophy, there is no way that any kind of
>>>  climate or healthy care legislation would pass Congress this year
>>>  or for the foreseeable future.
>>>
>> This comment is idiotic and insulting.  Heath care legislation and climate
>> legislation will not be impacted negatively  by moving to a public-owned
>> voting system.
>
> In Barbara Simons's defense, I don't think she means that striving for a
> public-owned voting system would prevent passage of climate or health-care
> legislation. What she does mean is that if the philosophy of holding out for
> the perfect bill were applied to climate or health-care legislation, it
> would prevent passage of any legislation in those areas.

Indubitably.

> Obviously the best outcome for any legislative campaign is passage of the
> ideal bill in one shot. If that turns out to be impossible, two alternatives
> are (1) keep trying again and again to get the ideal bill passed, wearing
> down the opponents' resistance, and (2) passing a series of less-than-ideal
> bills, each of which gets a step closer to the ideal legislation. It seems
> Alan favors the first approach, whereas Barbara Simon prefers the second.

It is clear that the Holt bill in its present form could be used to
prevent our system being used anywhere. This is not making the perfect
the enemy of the good. This is making the possible the enemy of the
impossible.

> --Ham
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