Document on Holt bill (was Re: I need your help today -- oppose Holt bill as introduced)

From: Edward Cherlin <echerlin_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Wed Jun 24 2009 - 15:57:23 CDT

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Created. I'm going through the bill now, pulling out passages where I
> see issues.

First pass finished. I gave Alan administrative privileges. How shall
we divvy up further work?

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Alan Dechert <dechert@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, I (or we) need to work up a document to use.
> >
> > I'll create one at Google Documents with your initial posting as the
> > starting point, but with the correct URL for the bill.
> >
> > > There are many big problems with the bill.  Generally, it enshrines the proprietary model and would result in very expensive equipment that would become quickly obsolete -- like DREs.
> >
> > We need the list of problems to go into the document.
> >
> > > If passed as introduced, it would end pollsite voting altogether. Jurisdictions could not afford the machines and they would push more for all-mail voting -- the least secure and least accessible voting model ever.
> > >
> > > Alan D.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Cherlin" <echerlin@gmail.com>
> > > To: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list" <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:55 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] I need your help today -- oppose Holt billasintroduced
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Alan Dechert <dechert@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Like any message sent to the list, it can be referred to by it's own url ... e.g.
> > >>>
> > >>> http://gnosis.python-hosting.com/voting-project/June.2009/0039.html
> > >>
> > >> Not everyone is comfortable extracting information from multiple
> > >> e-mails. Most of the people I have in mind to send this to will want
> > >> to see the full set of complaints about the bill on a page on the OVC
> > >> site.
> > >>
> > >>> However, I used a url that evaporated for the bill. Here's a url that will persist:
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/ad/hr2894.pdf
> > >>>
> > >>> Alan D.
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Cherlin" <echerlin@gmail.com>
> > >>> To: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list" <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:14 AM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] I need your help today -- oppose Holt bill asintroduced
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Is there a URL for this that I can refer others to?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Alan Dechert <dechert@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Below is a copy of what I sent to our announcements list
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ********
> > >>>>> Dear Friends of Open Voting:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I need your help today. As you may recall, US Representative Rush Holt has introduced several badly flawed voting reform bills in the past few years. We have opposed them for a variety of reasons.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Last week, Holt introduced his new one: The Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2009 (HR 2894)
> > >>>>> http://holt.house.gov/voting.shtml
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> In general, the bill is not as bad as the previous. Some provisions are good. Ban DREs, ban wireless, provide some funding for voting software that would be publicly available. However, overall, the bill is still bad. The deep flaw with this bill, generally speaking, remains the same: it would put the federal goverment too much into running the voting system. Holt is trying to do too much and making a mess of it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Parts of it are outrageously bad. The main offending part for me is where they say the machine for individuals with disabilities must allow the voter to "independently verify and cast the permanent paper ballot without requiring the voter to manually handle the paper ballot;" This is ridiculous. This the proverbial $900 hammer approach. No machine has this capability currently, and such a machine would be many times more expensive than necessary. Potential solutions would solve one almost non-existent problem and create several others -- besides the expense.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It's the same mentality that led to adding the expensive printing mechanism to the DRE voting machines. Vendors didn't mind doing it as long as the government was paying for it. Guess what? Government paid for it. No wait, YOU paid for it. Now those machines are getting junked. So, tax-payers underwrote stupid voting architecture. Diebold et al got paid to develop it and sell it. Now the stupid machines go in the trash and Diebold keeps the money. It's another example of a very few outspoken "disabled rights activists" -- people in bed with industry -- creating a very expensive mandate.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If we can't get this changed, the bill must be killed. Other parts of the bill should just be removed rather than fixed. We might support it if chunks of it were simply removed.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> A here is a link directly to the bill language.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111Uxz8FM:e0:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> SEC. 102. ACCESSIBILITY AND BALLOT VERIFICATION FOR
> > >>>>> INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES.
> > >>>>> ...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> (II) allows the voter to privately and
> > >>>>> independently verify and cast the permanent
> > >>>>> paper ballot without requiring the
> > >>>>> voter to manually handle the paper ballot;
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I need your help contacting Congress in opposition to this bill.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I also need your financial support so OVC can continue to develop and demonstrate sensible open source voting technology, and defeat crappy legislation like this.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name
> > >> And Children are my nation.
> > >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination.
> > >> http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin)
> > >>
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> > --
> > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name
> > And Children are my nation.
> > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination.
> > http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin)
>
>
>
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> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name
> And Children are my nation.
> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination.
> http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin)

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