Re: [OVC-discuss] I need your help today -- oppose Holt billasintroduced

From: Alan Dechert <dechert_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Wed Jun 24 2009 - 13:03:44 CDT

Yeah, I (or we) need to work up a document to use. There are many big
problems with the bill. Generally, it enshrines the proprietary model and
would result in very expensive equipment that would become quickly
obsolete -- like DREs.

If passed as introduced, it would end pollsite voting altogether.
Jurisdictions could not afford the machines and they would push more for
all-mail voting -- the least secure and least accessible voting model ever.

Alan D.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Cherlin" <echerlin@gmail.com>
To: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list" <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] I need your help today -- oppose Holt
billasintroduced

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Alan Dechert <dechert@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Like any message sent to the list, it can be referred to by it's own url
>> ... e.g.
>>
>> http://gnosis.python-hosting.com/voting-project/June.2009/0039.html
>
> Not everyone is comfortable extracting information from multiple
> e-mails. Most of the people I have in mind to send this to will want
> to see the full set of complaints about the bill on a page on the OVC
> site.
>
>> However, I used a url that evaporated for the bill. Here's a url that
>> will persist:
>>
>> http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/ad/hr2894.pdf
>>
>> Alan D.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Cherlin" <echerlin@gmail.com>
>> To: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list"
>> <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] I need your help today -- oppose Holt bill
>> asintroduced
>>
>>
>>> Is there a URL for this that I can refer others to?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Alan Dechert <dechert@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Below is a copy of what I sent to our announcements list
>>>>
>>>> ********
>>>> Dear Friends of Open Voting:
>>>>
>>>> I need your help today. As you may recall, US Representative Rush Holt
>>>> has introduced several badly flawed voting reform bills in the past few
>>>> years. We have opposed them for a variety of reasons.
>>>>
>>>> Last week, Holt introduced his new one: The Voter Confidence and
>>>> Increased Accessibility Act of 2009 (HR 2894)
>>>> http://holt.house.gov/voting.shtml
>>>>
>>>> In general, the bill is not as bad as the previous. Some provisions are
>>>> good. Ban DREs, ban wireless, provide some funding for voting software
>>>> that would be publicly available. However, overall, the bill is still
>>>> bad. The deep flaw with this bill, generally speaking, remains the
>>>> same: it would put the federal goverment too much into running the
>>>> voting system. Holt is trying to do too much and making a mess of it.
>>>>
>>>> Parts of it are outrageously bad. The main offending part for me is
>>>> where they say the machine for individuals with disabilities must allow
>>>> the voter to "independently verify and cast the permanent paper ballot
>>>> without requiring the voter to manually handle the paper ballot;" This
>>>> is ridiculous. This the proverbial $900 hammer approach. No machine has
>>>> this capability currently, and such a machine would be many times more
>>>> expensive than necessary. Potential solutions would solve one almost
>>>> non-existent problem and create several others -- besides the expense.
>>>>
>>>> It's the same mentality that led to adding the expensive printing
>>>> mechanism to the DRE voting machines. Vendors didn't mind doing it as
>>>> long as the government was paying for it. Guess what? Government paid
>>>> for it. No wait, YOU paid for it. Now those machines are getting
>>>> junked. So, tax-payers underwrote stupid voting architecture. Diebold
>>>> et al got paid to develop it and sell it. Now the stupid machines go in
>>>> the trash and Diebold keeps the money. It's another example of a very
>>>> few outspoken "disabled rights activists" -- people in bed with
>>>> industry -- creating a very expensive mandate.
>>>>
>>>> If we can't get this changed, the bill must be killed. Other parts of
>>>> the bill should just be removed rather than fixed. We might support it
>>>> if chunks of it were simply removed.
>>>>
>>>> A here is a link directly to the bill language.
>>>>
>>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111Uxz8FM:e0:
>>>>
>>>> SEC. 102. ACCESSIBILITY AND BALLOT VERIFICATION FOR
>>>> INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES.
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> (II) allows the voter to privately and
>>>> independently verify and cast the permanent
>>>> paper ballot without requiring the
>>>> voter to manually handle the paper ballot;
>>>>
>>>> I need your help contacting Congress in opposition to this bill.
>>>>
>>>> I also need your financial support so OVC can continue to develop and
>>>> demonstrate sensible open source voting technology, and defeat crappy
>>>> legislation like this.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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