Re: [OVC-discuss] I need your help today -- oppose Holt bill asintroduced

From: Nancy Tobi <nancy_dot_tobi_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Wed Jun 24 2009 - 07:53:35 CDT

Folks,

Just like the ballot readback feature in Holt's former version of the bill,
this feature was brainstormed and documented by our genius friends on the
EAC's TGDC. It is in the last version of the V V SG (whatever they are
calling it now).

Holt's office is a conduit for the EAC. They come up with the plans, and
Holt tries to get it federalized into the law of the land.

Nancy

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Jim Tobias <tobias@inclusive.com> wrote:

> Alan, can you provide any background on this specific "no-touch"
> feature? Was it requested by dexterity-disabled advocates?
>
> There are certainly several ways to address this issue *outside* of the
> technical design, with assistance from a poll worker. As long as the design
> does not prevent those solutions, it would be compliant with the language
> below, as I read it.
>
> Are there other objectionable provisions that you have not mentioned?
>
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* Nancy Tobi [mailto:nancy.tobi@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:51 AM
> *To:* Open Voting Consortium discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: [OVC-discuss] I need your help today -- oppose Holt bill
> asintroduced
>
> Nice Alan. I can't believe this crap keeps on coming. And Holt thinks we
> are so stupid that we miss his multi-billion dollar toss to the unscrupulous
> e-voting industry with his never ending demands for more complexity, more
> opacity, more technocrap????
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:10 AM, Alan Dechert <dechert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Below is a copy of what I sent to our announcements list
>>
>> ********
>> Dear Friends of Open Voting:
>>
>> I need your help today. As you may recall, US Representative Rush Holt
>> has introduced several badly flawed voting reform bills in the past few
>> years. We have opposed them for a variety of reasons.
>>
>> Last week, Holt introduced his new one: The Voter Confidence and Increased
>> Accessibility Act of 2009 (HR 2894)
>> http://holt.house.gov/voting.shtml
>>
>> In general, the bill is not as bad as the previous. Some provisions are
>> good. Ban DREs, ban wireless, provide some funding for voting software that
>> would be publicly available. However, overall, the bill is still bad. The
>> deep flaw with this bill, generally speaking, remains the same: it would put
>> the federal goverment too much into running the voting system. Holt is
>> trying to do too much and making a mess of it.
>>
>> Parts of it are outrageously bad. The main offending part for me is where
>> they say the machine for individuals with disabilities must allow the voter
>> to "independently verify and cast the permanent paper ballot without
>> requiring the voter to manually handle the paper ballot;" This is
>> ridiculous. This the proverbial $900 hammer approach. No machine has this
>> capability currently, and such a machine would be many times more expensive
>> than necessary. Potential solutions would solve one almost non-existent
>> problem and create several others -- besides the expense.
>>
>> It's the same mentality that led to adding the expensive printing
>> mechanism to the DRE voting machines. Vendors didn't mind doing it as long
>> as the government was paying for it. Guess what? Government paid for it.
>> No wait, YOU paid for it. Now those machines are getting junked. So,
>> tax-payers underwrote stupid voting architecture. Diebold et al got paid to
>> develop it and sell it. Now the stupid machines go in the trash and Diebold
>> keeps the money. It's another example of a very few outspoken "disabled
>> rights activists" -- people in bed with industry -- creating a very
>> expensive mandate.
>>
>> If we can't get this changed, the bill must be killed. Other parts of the
>> bill should just be removed rather than fixed. We might support it if
>> chunks of it were simply removed.
>>
>> A here is a link directly to the bill language.
>>
>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111Uxz8FM:e0<http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/%7Ec111Uxz8FM:e0>
>> :
>>
>> SEC. 102. ACCESSIBILITY AND BALLOT VERIFICATION FOR
>> INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES.
>> ...
>>
>> (II) allows the voter to privately and
>> independently verify and cast the permanent
>> paper ballot without requiring the
>> voter to manually handle the paper ballot;
>>
>> I need your help contacting Congress in opposition to this bill.
>>
>> I also need your financial support so OVC can continue to develop and
>> demonstrate sensible open source voting technology, and defeat crappy
>> legislation like this.
>>
>>
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