Re: An attempt to sneak Internet voting in via theback door?

From: <dr-jekyll_at_att_dot_net>
Date: Fri Jun 19 2009 - 06:25:06 CDT

I have 2 innovations I'd like to suggest:

1) Voter-Verified Paper Ballot (or Voter-Verified Paper Audit Trail)
2) Not having American soldiers' ballots handled by foreign software companies

--
Kurt 
Nor yet, O Freedom! close thy lids 
in slumber for thine enemy never 
sleeps. -- The Antiquity of 
Freedom By William Cullen Bryant
-------------- Original message from "compodinamic" <contact@compodinamic.it>: -------------- 
> The voting system that will be established throughout the world as a 
> normal election, it will be just what use Internet safely. in practice 
> certified mail. This is the system I'm studying. All the objections that you 
> made are valid but are now already outdated by the innovative methods that 
> are being studied both by me and by others . The U.S.A seems to be short 
> of ideas. 
> Cascella - Italy 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Keller" 
> To: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list" 
> Cc: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list" 
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:29 AM 
> Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] An attempt to sneak Internet voting in via the 
> back door? 
> 
> 
> > At 3:41 PM -0700 6/18/09, Edward Cherlin wrote: 
> >>On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Arthur Keller 
> >>wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I think Military Voting USING the Internet is a great idea. But I'm 
> >>> opposed to Military Voting VIA the Internet. What's difference, you 
> >>> say? I think it is reasonable for a military, overseas, or other remote 
> >>> voter to go to an Internet website, type in information about the 
> >>> jurisdiction of the voter, be shown a ballot where the voter enters 
> >>> his/her selections. The system would download a PDF file, which would 
> >>> be printed, sealed in an a "universal vote-by-mail envelope," where the 
> >>> appropriate affirmations and identification and voter's signature was 
> >>> affixed, 
> >> 
> >>That's one option. What's the difference? Why not allow military 
> >>ballots to be printed in the US, by the military at a military 
> >>facility, with secure data transmission via MILNET? This does not have 
> >>any of the security issues of voting over the open Internet. 
> > 
> > Because your approach does not have the voter's signature on the outside 
> > of the ballot, that's why. My approach does, and that makes all the 
> > difference. The voter seals the ballot in the envelope with a signature, 
> > and no one sees it until it arrives at County Central, where officials 
> > determine whether to count it before they open the ballot envelope. 
> > 
> >>If your option were to be used, I would like to see the information 
> >>printed on the envelope at the time of voting, all except the 
> >>signatures. I would like the military to be required to get and verify 
> >>the signatures, and not permit invalid envelopes to go through. 
> > 
> > The signatures are supposed to match the registration form, to which it is 
> > unreasonable for military officials to have access. You must not take 
> > acceptance of the ballot away from the local election officials for any 
> > group of voters, however worthy. 
> > 
> >> > and then the ballot and envelope could be mailed or otherwise 
> >> delivered to the local jurisdiction for counting. The ballot would be 
> >> handled the way provisional ballots are handled, safely and securely. 
> >> 
> >>It is widely known that mail services in some countries where the 
> >>military is deployed are utterly unreliable. If you mean using 
> >>military mail, maybe. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> > These universal vote-by-mail envelopes would be widely available, and 
> >> the voter would write the jurisdiction's address on the envelope, and the 
> >> website that chooses the correct jurisdiction's ballot could give the 
> >> address information to the voter. 
> >> 
> >>Please print the information on the envelope. Anything to reduce human 
> >>error in voting is a plus. Currently about half of military absentee 
> >>ballots are reportedly rejected. 
> > 
> > That could be done but it not required. Not everyone has a printer with 
> > the capability of printing envelopes. Besides the online vote printer 
> > shouldn't know the identity of the voter either, but merely the voter's 
> > jurisdiction, for voter privacy. 
> > 
> >> > Military bases and US embassies could accept ballots up to the time 
> >> the *first* polling places close in the US, and the ballots could be 
> >> considered on time even if received at the local jurisdiction later (but 
> >> within, say, 7 days of the election). These acceptance locations might 
> >> or might not be required to check ID. 
> >> 
> >>Why not? 
> > 
> > Because the ballots could be mailed to County Central by depositing it in 
> > mailbox and having the identity checked. 
> > 
> >> > In any event, it is the local jurisdiction that verifies the voters 
> >> identity including signature. 
> >>> 
> >>> Best regards, 
> >> > Arthur 
> > 
> > Best regards, 
> > Arthur 
> > 
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