Re: Motivation to Cheat - 1,000 years old

From: David Webber \(XML\) <"David>
Date: Wed Jun 01 2005 - 10:37:48 CDT

Ed,

What about the golden toilet roll holder answer?

You are Diebold - you take a $400 PDA device, and sell it for $3,500 up to
$5,500.

Then you propose adding a printer - total cost $1,500 when similar hardware
retails
for under $300. And you add on support and fielding services, total cost
for a
typical State election $150M+.

What does this amazing device do? It allows the user to fill out a form and
submit it.

And it only gets used once every 2 years - so by then you need to buy newer
golden
toilet roll holders to replace the old ones.

Reality check - typical cost for office form-filling solutions - $20 per
seat - runs on
any office PC - which cost less than $500 each - from major retailers
nationwide -
used every day - lasts five+ years.

If standard office equipment used instead of Diebold - savings to tax
payers - $100M+
- enough to build a couple of brand new high schools in each State.

DW

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edmund R. Kennedy" <ekennedyx@yahoo.com>
To: "David Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>; "Open Voting Consortium
discussion list" <ovc-discuss@listman.sonic.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Motivation to Cheat - 1,000 years old

> Hello David and Jim:
>
> The original article quantified the cost in dollars
> per vote that it would take to cheat on an election.
> I still want to see the same thing on the benefits.
>
> Jim's scenarior for a low risk method of benefitting
> from a corrupt election is clever and reasonable but
> complicated. I'd like to see something a lot simpler
> that can be presented clearly to Joe Average and have
> it expressed in dollars per vote the same way that the
> costs of cheating on an election.
>
> Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>
> --- "David Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info> wrote:
> > Warwick the King-Maker showed us that the
> > need to wield power is a basic human instinct.
> >
> > In the case of the DRE systems, a small
> > inner sanctum inside certain vendor companies
> > I'm sure is controlling this all, and when the
> > truth finally comes out we are going to find
> > that the actual means used
> > is incredably simple and basic - not
> > sophisticated at all. While everyone is
> > looking for the obtuse.
> >
> > One thing that immediately struck me in
> > my first encounter with a DRE system - was
> > that the key card is an obvious entry point.
> >
> > Since anyone can easily carry one of these
> > in or out of a polling station a "special"
> > card could be inserted into a DRE that then
> > triggers some latent code. This would be
> > completely undetectable before and
> > after polling in pre- or post- certification
> > testing.
> >
> > Any number of similar simple tricks could
> > be used to rig and election using current
> > DRE technology - its obviously so wide
> > open with no meaningful audit possible.
> >
> > Anyway - back to motivation - a political
> > fervour or persuasion is more than enough,
> > look at folks like Hitler, or Stalin, to see
> > that lessor lights love to glow in their
> > preferred leaders success, or advancing
> > "the cause", over the hated infidels.
> >
> > Bolster that with the ability to make
> > quick cash - as in owning stock in the
> > company - and the inner sanctum is
> > complete.
> >
> > This will only likely come out when
> > the DRE bubble bursts and the stock
> > crashes into pennies, assuming that
> > there are not a series of unfortunate
> > auto accidents in the meantime....
> >
> > To be continued!
> >
> > DW
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