Re: Motivation to Cheat - 1,000 years old

From: Richard C. Johnson <dick_at_iwwco_dot_com>
Date: Wed Jun 01 2005 - 10:00:00 CDT

I'd like to pick up on Ed's notion of a simple explanation of the costs and benefits of rigged elections and how they are distributed. This makes sense to the average person, in terms of how his/her tax money gets spent. But it is also the case that so called large campaign contributions (bribes to those who abjure euphemism) would likely be the source of any funds used to corrupt the voting process. The average person will quickly understand that, however much it costs, the boodle is there to pay for it as long as the process is not transparent.
 
The effect of an open voting process is simply that it becomes much much more expensive to cheat. The idea we all share, I am sure, is that we can make cheating less likely by driving up the cost of doing it. Of course, we will also engage in the social ostracism of those who cheat. But, just as with any security measure, you can't stop the nasty altogether, although you sure can make it more difficult and expensive.
 
-- Dick

"Edmund R. Kennedy" <ekennedyx@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello David and Jim:

The original article quantified the cost in dollars
per vote that it would take to cheat on an election.
I still want to see the same thing on the benefits.

Jim's scenarior for a low risk method of benefitting
from a corrupt election is clever and reasonable but
complicated. I'd like to see something a lot simpler
that can be presented clearly to Joe Average and have
it expressed in dollars per vote the same way that the
costs of cheating on an election.

Thanks, Ed Kennedy

--- "David Webber (XML)" wrote:
> Warwick the King-Maker showed us that the
> need to wield power is a basic human instinct.
>
> In the case of the DRE systems, a small
> inner sanctum inside certain vendor companies
> I'm sure is controlling this all, and when the
> truth finally comes out we are going to find
> that the actual means used
> is incredably simple and basic - not
> sophisticated at all. While everyone is
> looking for the obtuse.
>
> One thing that immediately struck me in
> my first encounter with a DRE system - was
> that the key card is an obvious entry point.
>
> Since anyone can easily carry one of these
> in or out of a polling station a "special"
> card could be inserted into a DRE that then
> triggers some latent code. This would be
> completely undetectable before and
> after polling in pre- or post- certification
> testing.
>
> Any number of similar simple tricks could
> be used to rig and election using current
> DRE technology - its obviously so wide
> open with no meaningful audit possible.
>
> Anyway - back to motivation - a political
> fervour or persuasion is more than enough,
> look at folks like Hitler, or Stalin, to see
> that lessor lights love to glow in their
> preferred leaders success, or advancing
> "the cause", over the hated infidels.
>
> Bolster that with the ability to make
> quick cash - as in owning stock in the
> company - and the inner sanctum is
> complete.
>
> This will only likely come out when
> the DRE bubble bursts and the stock
> crashes into pennies, assuming that
> there are not a series of unfortunate
> auto accidents in the meantime....
>
> To be continued!
>
> DW
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