Re: Reduced Paper Ballot -- RPB

From: Alan Dechert <alan_at_openvotingconsortium_dot_org>
Date: Fri Jun 18 2004 - 13:02:38 CDT

Well said, Charlie.


Alan D

> Joe,
> Alan's point is that repeatedly we have seen laws and proposals in which
assumptions about the form of the ballot dont really apply to the OVC
schema. Alan's original message actualy was quite clear when you understand
this; too often OVC seems to fall in the cracks of various legal
definitions. Alan is trying to to provide a lexicon for the law makers and
policy makers that allows cases that describe the OVC schema to be
unambiguosly defined. This has the desriable side effect of creating a
recognition that the system is different.
> to give another example, many laws talk about DREs very losely and its not
clear the way some laws are written if the oVC is a DRE. its not by most
standards since, for example, the official ballot record is not Directly
Recorded in the Electronics. On the other hand all of the laws covering
electroinc voting machinery have been lumped without distinction under the
heading of DRE since no one had a clear way of distinguishing them. Thus
its not always clear what laws should be applied and people may get tempeted
to treat the laws like a chinese menu, picking from different sections what
suits their fancy rather than trying to address them directly.
> Alan is just giving us one of several terms needed to build up a new
legally distinguishable unambiguous lexicon.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <>
> Sent: Jun 18, 2004 11:33 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [voting-project] Reduced Paper Ballot -- RPB
> I'm having a hard time figuring out what we want!
> What part of the definition of "ballot" isn't sufficient? The OVC
> system is basically a complicated ballot printer that also allows for
> the efficiency of digital technology with respect to quick counting
> (USB dongle, etc.). So, we need to have a clear illustration of the
> qualities of an OVC system-printed ballot vs. everything else. In the
> end, it should be the same as an "official paper ballot" with the
> exception that an elections system tranlated the intent of the voter
> (via touchscreen) to markings on a piece of paper (via electronic
> signals and a printer).
> -Joe
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