Re: Reduced Paper Ballot -- RPB

From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joehall_at_gmail_dot_com>
Date: Fri Jun 18 2004 - 11:45:46 CDT

Could you define for us what a "reduced paper ballot" is? That is,
what would be your legal definition of such a thing? -Joe

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:20:27 -0700, Alan Dechert
<> wrote:
> I want to start calling our paper ballot the "Reduced Paper Ballot" or
> "RPB." Please use this term from now on. Standards for new voting
> technologies are being written and I want standards to apply to our RPB. I
> don't want some jurisdiction applying the nearest thing they have handy
> (i.e., "ballot") when what is on the books may or may not fit well with our
> system.
> One of problems I see with the CA Secretary of State's standards for DREs
> with printers has to do with the legal standing of the printout. Mike
> Shamos calls such printouts "Contemporaneous Paper Replicas" (or "CPR"). In
> the standards they are referred to as "paper record copies" which I find
> non-descript. The standards have numerous references about how these "paper
> record copies" have to comply with state and federal standards for such
> things as readability. Readability of what?
> It's not clear if there are any state or federal standards that apply to
> "paper record copies." I anticipate some problems with vendors trying to
> design with standards for something that has no legal definition. Companies
> that speculate on what will be acceptable could face large R&D costs for
> redesign. For example, Accupoll clearly doesn't work with these standards
> for DREs with printers since it requires that the voter not handle the
> paper.
> Fortunately, the DRE standards do not apply to the OVC system (I have
> confirmed that with the SoS office) as it says in the first paragraph,
> "These standards shall only apply to DRE systems for which an electronic
> record of the vote is created by the DRE and for which that electronic
> record is considered the official record."
> Historically, as new voting technologies have emerged, legal code has
> changed to deal with them. The OVC represents a new voting technology and
> we want to make sure we get wording in the codes that is compatible with our
> system. As soon as possible, let's get an article in the newspaper that
> uses the term "Reduced Paper Ballot." Future conference papers by OVC
> members should contain "Reduced Paper Ballot" and/or RPB.
> Thanks.
> Alan D.

Joseph Lorenzo Hall
UC Berkeley, SIMS PhD Student
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