Re: [OVC-discuss] Someone needs to send this to Shamos

From: Charlie Strauss <cems_at_browndogs_dot_org>
Date: Sun Jul 19 2009 - 19:37:35 CDT

hey David that's good to know. I was indeed unaware. I guess I need
to retract my Ha Ha.

On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:26 PM, David Jefferson wrote:

> In case you are not aware, the State of California conducted
> parallel testing in all DRE counties for about 4 or 5 elections in a
> row in the Shelley and McPherson administrations. In that time only
> one unexplained anomaly was found, although I never heard the details.
>
> David
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Charlie Strauss wrote:
>
>> an interesting tale:
>>
>>
>>
>>> this is such a pure example of apparent election fraud it's kind
>>> of breathtaking.
>>>
>>> "In Honduras, according to breaking Catalan newspaper reports
>>> (translations available, USA Today mention), authorities have
>>> seized 45 computers containing certified election results for a
>>> constitutional election that never happened. The election had been
>>> scheduled for June 28, but on that day the president, Manuel
>>> Zelaya, was ousted. The 'certified' and detailed electronic
>>> records of the non-existent election show Zelaya's side having won
>>> overwhelmingly."
>>>
>>> http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/19/1646201/Computerized-Election-Results-With-No-Election?art_pos=3
>>>
>>> And a reminder to VVNMers. We should not be so concerned with
>>> election fraud as the reason for our cause. What we should seek
>>> is to increase public confidence in elections by removing things
>>> that are not trustworthy or comprehendible to the voting public.
>>> Voting should be transparent so the losers are sure they lost.
>>>
>>
>>
>> One should of course take such breaking news reports with a grain
>> of salt till confirmed, one could imagine this being some sort of
>> misinterpretation of the observations (e.g. maybe those were early
>> voting ballots??)
>>
>> IN any case assuming the report is correct, it's critical
>> contextual significane is thus:
>>
>> One of the big strawmen often raised by folks in favor of
>> electronic voting is that there is this supposed panacea called
>> "parallel testing" that is touted as being an invincible process of
>> detecting rigged machines. The idea is that at random a machine
>> will be chosen before the elections begin and pulled out of
>> service, then the election workers will cast pretend votes on it
>> all day long. then it's output checked for accuracy. This is
>> called "parallel" testing because it's done in a time period
>> parallel to a real election, supposedly to "fool" any date
>> dependent software. It's not an awful idea and would indeed detect
>> some kinds of naive electronic fraud. But the idea that this is
>> remotely a solution is even more naive.
>>
>> Moreover, said proponents don't actually ever do this--- it's just
>> a thought experiment. The real reason for that strawman argument
>> is not that people would actually would do it, it's that since you
>> could in principle do it, this keeps that bad guys at bay. Ha Ha
>> Ha.
>>
>> So it's such a terrible irony then that the very first time in
>> history that, effectively a different kind of parallel test did
>> occur, that yep massive machine rigging is found!
>>
>> the parallel test in this case is: call an election. cancel it
>> unexpectedly at the last possible second and impound the machines,
>> test them for rigging.
>>
>> Anyone know Shamos's e-mail?
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