Re: Current OVC codebase download?

From: Cameron L. Spitzer <cls_at_truffula_dot_sj_dot_ca_dot_us>
Date: Thu Jul 14 2005 - 20:06:44 CDT

>Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:02:38 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "Edmund R. Kennedy" <>
>Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Current OVC codebase download?
>To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list <>
>Reply-To: Open Voting Consortium discussion list
> <>


I'm still completely lost. The archived message leads
to "Will's site", a directory containing several tarballs.
Not a hint of what any of them are, where or how to
run them, what they do, etc.
I unpacked BRPDemo and BVADemo but couldn't find any
release notes, install instructions, README files, etc.
I tried running
and it wants something called pythonw which I've never heard of.
To-do-later pile. Think of the warehouse scene at the
very end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

A readme file would be good. You can download
and figure it out from the readme file, and it's quite
a bit more complicated than this stuff.

>Also, I'm wrong about Debian. My wandering through
>the archives shows that it's probably Fedora.

>Does Knoppix have the same reduced size modules that
>Slax has? Finally, isn't Slax nominally a 'US'
>product while Knoppix is a 'German' product.

Knoppix, for our purposes, is a relatively thin wrapper
around Debian. Debian is an international project.
I would wager there are more Debian developers in the
US than anywhere else by far.
Software In the Public Interest Inc is a US 501(c)3.
Knoppix was begun on Red Hat, about the time Red Hat
forked into Fedora and Enterprise. Knopper switched
to Debian because the maintenance is better. Fedora
kept breaking.

I don't know what "reduced size modules" are.
Knoppix through 3.9 is all the Debian that will fit,
in cloop form, on a 700 MB CD. If you want it smaller,
you throw packages overboard. Maybe you don't need
the Cyrillic and Japanese fonts and locales.
Maybe you don't need the developers' manpages.
Maybe you don't need the arcade games and their big fat
graphics and sound and levels files.
Maybe you don't need Nessus (a large network security suite).
Maybe you don't need Emacs. Knoppix is bloat city,
but that's what it's supposed to be.
If you throw most of it overboard, you get Feather Linux.
If you keep going, you get Damn Small Linux. It's a continuum.
(If you throw away KDE and break Kudzu and add GNOME and
commercial support, you get Ubuntu Linux...)

Maybe we should start with Damn Small Linux and add
what's missing, instead of starting with Knoppix
and removing stuff. I just want to preserve the
boot automation. This means keeping Knoppix'
everything but the kitchen sink kernel, which unfortunately
means an initial ramdisk with the module set, and his
Kudzu and Discover setup automation. They're not
perfect but they're the best I've seen. (They screw up
on Tseng Labs ET4000 and i810 video, two of the most
popular SVGA implementations in PC history. But they
get Compaq's laptop touchpad right, and Debian's install
kernel doesn't. I don't like the way Ubuntu and
Damn Small Linux have to ask what kind of mouse you have.)

> I'm
>thinking about 'Buy American' rules and also about way
>flaks from the 'big 3' can attack our product in the

I thought porting it to Knoppix was supposed to be
a quick hack so we could demo on PCs in the wild as well
as on specially prepared recent Macintoshes.
And, in the process, identify the dependencies on
that specially prepared Macintosh.
I'm (obviously) not on the development team, but
if I had to pick a platform for The Product I
might start with Strongbox or Smoothwall or something
simple and security oriented like that.

I didn't even know there *was* a development team
until today.


>Thanks, Ed Kennedy
>--- "Cameron L. Spitzer" <>

>> >Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:31:19 -0700 (PDT)
>> >From: "Edmund R. Kennedy" <>
>> >Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Current OVC codebase
>> download?
>> >To: "David Webber \(XML\)" <>,
>> > Open Voting Consortium discussion list
>> <>
>> >Hello David:
>> >Try <>. I'm
>> >not sure, but I believe it's currently tailored for
>> >Debian Linux. I'm still waiting for an iso image
>> of
>> >the software with Linux. How about all 41mb of
>> Slax
>> >Frodo folks?
>> ><>. There's
>> >something there about creating modules.
>> I'm sorry, that's my bad. I downloaded the tarball
>> from
>> sourceforge and realized I didn't know where to
>> start
>> or where I was going. So I set it on the
>> to-do-later
>> pile.
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