Re: Understanding difference between TLV, EML, VVPB and what the vendors want to flog as VVPAT

From: Ed Kennedy <ekennedyx_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Date: Sun Jul 03 2005 - 19:12:32 CDT

Hello Joseph:

Thanks for your reading and interpretation of HAVA. This was as I
suspected. As you may have noticed, I'm always trying to nail down certain
elusive terms and one of my leading muddy terms showed up in your email,
"Error Rates." What does HAVA say about error rates?

Thanks, Edmund R. Kennedy
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Lorenzo Hall" <>
To: "Open Voting Consortium discussion list" <>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Understanding difference between TLV, EML,VVPB 
and what the vendors want to flog as VVPAT
> On 7/2/05, Charlie Strauss <> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> First, a state needs to be HAVA-compliant -=in order to get the
>> >>> HAVA money=-.  If they turn down the Federal money, they can do
>> >>> any  damn thing they want.  HAVA has no hard requirements, only
>> >>> cash  incentives.
>> >>
>> >> The common understanding is that this statement is completely
>> >> false.   Can you support it?  I'd really like it to be true so I'd
>> >> like a  reference.  Every person I've talked to including the head
>> >> of NASED  has implied that the federal law specifies ADA
>> >> requirments regardless  of whether you take the cash.
> (This is in no way legal advice. Please consult your attorney if you
> make decisions based on the following remarks.)
> Title III of HAVA (Sec. 301 et seq.) is not optional, no matter what
> money a state accepts under Title I or II.
> (As a reminder, Sec. 301 defines the minimum requirements for voting
> systems used in elections for federal office (pre-casting vote
> verification and opportunity to change vote, manual audit capacity,
> disabled and alternative language accessibility, error rates, uniform
> vote definition and the effective date to meet these requirements (1
> Jan 2006)).)
> -- 
> Joseph Lorenzo Hall
> UC Berkeley, SIMS PhD Student
> <>
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