Re: Understanding difference between TLV, EML, VVPBand what the vendors want to flog as VVPAT

From: Ed Kennedy <ekennedyx_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Date: Sun Jul 03 2005 - 15:09:20 CDT


Make sure the guarantee includes a full refund of Diebold's fees and that
judgment of violation of the guarantee be solely at the local agency's call.
Diebold is a pretty slippery company so when they say, "Guarantee? Sure!,"
nail them down so they understand that non-performance equals real penalties
($) for them. It looked like we had gotten them out of California, but they
are back, just like cockroaches.

Thanks, Edmund R. Kennedy
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathy Dopp" <>
To: "David Webber (XML)" <>; "Open Voting Consortium 
discussion list" <>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [OVC-discuss] Understanding difference between TLV, EML, 
VVPBand what the vendors want to flog as VVPAT
> David Webber (XML) wrote:
>>I agree that precious little sanity is getting thru.  Like Maryland
>>has spent $80M on Diebold kit - to service 1.6M votes - that
>>works out as $50 per vote - just to fill out a government form and turn it 
>>in.  And the cost keeps going up - because of
>>ongoing maintenance and more 'hidden' costs.
> I need help from folks on this list please.
> I need links to any articles or documents like this you mention above that 
> show how Diebold machines are costly or can be easily hacked or have been 
> involved in statistically suspicious or obviously miscounted elections.
> Please send me a URLs for any such story.
> I have to finish writing a paper (12 pages so far) on Diebold by Monday 
> that is going to be turned in to my city attorney's office who requested 
> the letter, city council, county commissioners, and while I'm at it - my 
> county clerk, the news reporter I am interviewing with on Monday, Utah 
> state election officials, and other voting activists who are saddled with 
> or threatened by Diebold and might be able to use it.
> I am recommending that the city attorney require Diebold to produce three 
> things before testing their voting equipment:
> 1. a working demonstration of a system to recount their paper rolls
> 2. all the open source specs for any technician to build a system for 
> independently auditing their paper rolls
> 3. a written guarantee that the Diebold DREs meet HAVA requirements for 
> disabled voters
> The paper includes these sections:
> -------------------------------
> Abstract 3 <#_Toc107994846>
> Why did Utah's Lt. Governor select Diebold?. 4 <#_Toc107994847>
> But Can't "Logic and Accuracy" Testing Detect the Problems?. 5 
> <#_Toc107994848>
> But if Votes Are Deliberately Embezzled, Won't there be Evidence to Prove 
> It?  6 <#_Toc107994849>
> But Won't We Lose Money if We Look a Gift Horse in the Mouth?. 7 
> <#_Toc107994850>
> Who Says Diebold machines are Easily Hacked?. 8 <#_Toc107994851>
> Have Diebold voting machines put the Wrong Candidates into Office?  8 
> <#_Toc107994852>
> But Aren't Diebold DREs Good for Disabled Voters?. 8 <#_Toc107994853>
> Is America Wide Open to Insider Vote Embezzlement?. 9 <#_Toc107994854>
> How Can We Ensure Accurate Vote Counts?. 9 <#_Toc107994855>
> Conclusions. 11 <#_Toc107994856>
> Best Recommendations. 11 <#_Toc107994857>
> Minimum Recommendations <#_Toc107994858>
> --------------------------
> I've worked on this paper for over 14 hours so far since yesterday when I 
> was asked to write a letter to the city after speaking with the legal 
> assistant and getting a good feel for common misperceptions, but I still 
> have three sections and footnotes to finish and could very much use help 
> collecting Diebold links.
> I hope it will be helpfull.
> Thanks in advance for your help,
> Kathy
>  12 <#_Toc107994858>
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