Re: Understanding difference between TLV, EML, VVPB and what the vendors want to flog as VVPAT

From: Jim March <jmarch_at_prodigy_dot_net>
Date: Sat Jul 02 2005 - 20:26:31 CDT

Charlie Strauss wrote:

> On Jul 1, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Jim March wrote:
>> David Webber (XML) wrote:
>>> Just for Bev Harris and her staffs FYI - paper only is a dog
>>> that will not hunt - simply because HAVA mandates (its the
>>> law) that you provide computer assisted voting - and so
>>> manual-only systems technically *must* be replaced.
>> First, a state needs to be HAVA-compliant -=in order to get the HAVA
>> money=-. If they turn down the Federal money, they can do any damn
>> thing they want. HAVA has no hard requirements, only cash incentives.
> The common understanding is that this statement is completely false.
> Can you support it? I'd really like it to be true so I'd like a
> reference. Every person I've talked to including the head of NASED
> has implied that the federal law specifies ADA requirments regardless
> of whether you take the cash.

It'll take me a bit but I'll get back to the list with details. I may
have to flat-out read HAVA itself.

One possibility I'll look into: HAVA may not say anything about
disability access, but disability access may be an "integral need" due
to Federal voting rights principles, ADA, God knows what.

IF that's the case, the "head of NASED" (would that be R. Doug Lewis by
chance?) might be sorta correct, except that if the actual disability
techniques aren't specified, a Rhode Island style "tactile ballot with
audio track" would suffice.

BUT let's also recall that R. Doug Lewis is a bullshit artist par
excellence, a rigid proponent of paperless DREs and somebody who admits
to being funded by Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia and the like. David Jefferson
had some pithy comments on some of this "scholarship":

Not knowing that David had penned that, shortly thereafter I wrote my
own rebuttal to the same R. Doug Lewis blathering and if anything I was
even more harsh than David (certainly more snide):

I would take anything from that idiot with a massive helping of salt and
a heavy spritz of deodorant plus a fleabath for good measure.

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