Bev Harris Trashed OVC at the Houston Election Hearing

From: Kathy Dopp <kathy_at_uscountvotes_dot_org>
Date: Fri Jul 01 2005 - 12:37:54 CDT


At the Houston Hearing, when asked a question, Bev Harris, verbally tore
apart the OVC and made the OVC sound like a more unethical insidious
group than Diebold. As fast as she maligned the OVC in so many ways, I
did not manage to record or recall it all, but among other equally
nefarious barbs she claimed that the OVC is a group set up "to funnel
public monies into private pockets". I suggest that anyone who tries to
speak with her on this issue first listens to her opinion of the OVC for
a long time first so you can understand all the attacks she is making
before trying to correct her on any of them.

In addition, I discovered this a.m. what exactly Bev Harris and her
staff are ignorant of that is causing them to revert to their "all hand
counted paper ballots and nothing else" losing position.

I tried to inform them but both Bev and her underling Kathleen both
refused to allow me to finish a sentence (both in Houston or this a.m.
over the phone) and were verbally abusive so I was unable to educate
them. (Bev Harris also verbally attacked Dr. Paster from the Carter
Center when he came to speak to us as well, in spite of his dedicating
his life to election integrity and arranging for some in our group to
speak the next day at the Carter/Baker hearing.)

I am sending out the following information on what Bev and her group are
ignorant of, so that folks on this list, who don't mind being verbally
abused or folks who Bev and her group are capable of controlling
themselves to treat civilly, may try to educate them.

BEV AND HER STAFF ARE UNAWARE THAT DREs come equipped now with voter
verifiable paper rolls that are attached to each individual DRE voting
machine that are encased in plastic and that the printing on them can be
seen by the voter after it is printed! (I know this is hard to believe
but Katheleen this a.m. insisted that the only paper trail is the paper
audit log on the central tabulators and Bev's rude behavior to me at the
Houston Hearing would be much more understandable if Bev shared this
ignorance with her staff) Kathleen, Bev's staff person, insisted to me
this a.m. that the individual paper rolls on each voting machine do not

Because of this, Bev and her staff are very unaware that systems can be
built to recount these (admittedly horrific) VVPATs. I have actually
seen a demonstration of a working open source system built by ES&S to
recount their paper rolls. While the system is admittedly a bad one,
ES&S uses a more substantial wider paper roll than Diebold's flimsy
narrow paper roll and in addition ES&S makes an open source system
available to independently recount their paper rolls and their OS is
more secure. ES&S staff actually seem aware of security concerns,
unlike Diebold who seem to deliberately build in security holes.

The problem with Bev and her staff being ignorant of the VVPAT feature
of DREs is that Bev has once again gone entirely back to her position
that America return to an "All hand-counted paper ballot system with NO
electronic recount of the paper" that would doom our election integrity
movement to failure by causing every election official to stop listening.

A friend of Bev's, *Sharona Merel*, of the National Ballot Integrity
Project, even stood up and heckled me verbally from the audience when I
had the microphone because I was espousing routine audits of paper
ballots in randomly selected precincts in the precincts at the close of
polls in sufficient precincts to have a very high probability of
catching any miscounted precincts. It was the only instance of heckling
from the audience during the entire Election Assessment Hearing, which
was a terrific very successful affair because the Carter Commission
representative came over, took our input on CD and paper, and allowed
some in the group to attend and even speak at the actual Carter/Baker

IMO, it is important that Bev Harris and her staff be educated on all
the components of the DRE machines and stop attacking and making
terrible allegations against the OVC. We all agree on so much and our
goals of achieving election integrity are the same, so it would be much
better if Bev and her group would stop the public attacks against the
OVC and be willing to respectfully listen and open-mindedly learn from
others in the movement, so that we all can win back U.S. election integrity.

USCV has even put a simple spreadsheet audit calculator and instructions
on the Internet for people to use to calculate the probabilities of
detecting miscounted precincts here:

I know that there are friends of Bev on this list who can speak to her,
so that is why I'm sending out this information here, as well as on my
voting rights activist group, many of whom follow Bev's lead in forming
their own positions.

I hung up on Kathleen this a.m. because I am unwilling to be rudely
treated or verbally abused for over three or four minutes at a time by
her or Bev Harris when they are espousing their uninformed opinions and
refusing to let me complete a sentence or inform them of any new facts
that controvert their "hand counted paper ballots are the ONLY possible
way to achieve election integrity and I refuse to listen to anything you
have to say and you're wrong before you speak" approach.

So please communicate with Bev Harris and her group if you are one of
those who they allow you to get a word in edgewise, and educate them, as
Bev is doing real damage to the OVC and the practical arm of the
election integrity movement in a very deliberate way. There is a tape
that was made of her comments about OVC that will become available for
those who would like to view it later.

Best Regards,

Kathy Dopp

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